The Voynich Ninja

Example 16 further aspect of interest. Here it is necessary to compare the right foot first bench and left leg of the second bench. Regular transformation of the left leg in the blot (dot) with a decrease in the vertical dimension type. If it is the spoiled "c", then why specifically it  the left foot  regularly turns into blot (Figure 18, 19, 20, 21) while the right leg only 2-3 case (Figure 23) (excluding the codes 149, 150 extended EVA ) and also at from decrease of the vertical dimension type?
 
It seems, even the opposite, that the author (in some cases) expressly adds ink when the second pass at writing  order to  "point" and "c" were different.

Also it is necessary take into account the existence of the code 158 (extended EVA), Fig. 22.

(03-10-2016, 06:36 AM)Wladimir D Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....
 
It seems, even the opposite, that the author (in some cases) expressly adds ink when the second pass at writing  order to  "point" and "c" were different.

Also it is necessary take into account the existence of the code 158 (extended EVA), Fig. 22.

Wladimir, I've never noticed that before and I've scrutinized the manuscript very carefully.

It really does look like the "fill in" of the ink here is deliberate. The "c" shape is smaller and higher than usual. Very interesting.

I did not meet comments about inscriptions on the leaves of plants f2r.
This is all the more interesting in that the near the leaves branch, located above is located label which does not read You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. .

I found new examples the writing  with gap of an average foot in long bench. And surprisingly they ended up duplication of the previously found examples.
4 and 8, the same word.
5 and 6  the same word.
All examples 4-8 built on the base a single "root", differ only in the gallows.
It can be concluded that the writing middle leg with a gap  not depends dialect and "of number hands" of author and  is the a morphological necessity.

(05-10-2016, 01:10 PM)Wladimir D Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It can be concluded that the writing middle leg with a gap  not depends dialect and "of number hands" of author and  is the a morphological necessity.

It's interesting that of the 6 examples here with the "subscript" e, 4 of them contain p or f gallows, even though those are rarer than k and t.  The remaining 2 with the k gallows are in initial lines of paragraphs, which is where we most often find p and f, although two of the examples here (7v and 39r) actually aren't in initial lines of paragraphs.

No idea what it means... just an observation.

Quote:I did not meet comments about inscriptions on the leaves of plants f2r.

That's been discussed in the past. ior an on

I realize that subject the ostracized by of those for many years tried to collect stats and make a transfer based on the EVA alphabet.
But now the himself Rene began to talk about necessary upgrade EVA. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.  
 
Everything happened because of the incorrect interpretation of "bench".
I am confident that it is necessary introducing new symbols: <¯>, <•>, < '>.
Let me remind  opinion Rene on the site Bax, when I first proposed the symbol "horizontal line":                       
 
The problem is a real one. Anyone who has ever done any transcription effort will understand it.
Normally, i.e. with regular manuscripts, one can read and understand what one transcribes, and one has help in deciding which character is meant. There is some possible confusion with ligatures and abbreviations, but that can be solved with the right level of expertise.
With the Voynich MS, we don’t really know for certain which are the characters, and most importantaly: which variations are just due to handwriting variations and which are ‘real’.
While representing the handwritten text by a set of digital units (ASCII codes), one makes decisions of this nature all the time. A user working just with the transcription file inherits all these decisions and cannot undo them. The fewer decisions taken, the better.
In old transcriptions, such as by Currier, the entire MS has been mapped to a set of 36 characters. In the newer transcriptions, a much larger character set is used. SeeYou are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and elsewhere. W.r.t. the interpretation (i.e. what all the characters mean), this has to be a second step. The less interpretation done during the transcription, the better. It may be that a high horizontal stroke has a different meaning than a lower horizontal stroke. For this type of questions, the scans seem to be the only possible source.
I do see a need (or at least a good use) for the next level of transcription, as I already briefly indicated at the last page of my web site, but it would be both a large and complicated effort.
 
I believe that on the contrary the entropy will decrease, as simultaneously with the introduction of the listed characters, I suggest remove extra characters such "c" and "h". (*)
Capital gallows transform into ordinary gallows.
Capital letters a, h, I, o, s, q transformed into bigrams (syllables).
It is becoming possible transcription of the "long bench".
It becomes possible to complete (or partial) transcription of some rare characters expanded EVA and V101.
(*) The attentive researchers can be said that their impossible to throw, as there are benches, which are formed from a "c" and "h" written with a gap. In response to this is:           "e¯ ¯ e".
Is in insets are shown examples of transcription. The top two decompositions I believe completely.
  The bottom three I present in the future. To them also need to add symbols "m" and "g", that are according to decomposition of Anton can be represented as bigrams (syllables) "m" = "i" + t2 (or code 194 v101), "g" = "e" + t2.

PS/  Anton. You have supported me in Russian forum last year, when I first started talking about the existence of the character "horizontal line". What do you meant: the particular glyphs or all of the options, "benches"?


 

Quote:PS/  Anton. You have supported me in Russian forum last year, when I first started talking about the existence of the character "horizontal line". What do you meant: the particular glyphs or all of the options, "benches"?

Already don't remember that discussion, sorry.

I believe that the horizontal line (let's call it "hyphen" for brevity) is a separate character which can be appended (e.g. e + hyphen = c) or prepended (e.g. hyphen + e = h) to "major" glyphs, thus creating more complex glyphs. That we don't meet it as a standalone character (do we?) means that it is of auxiliary nature.

Basically, I am inclined to look on the whole glyph system as of a set of possible "superpositions" of basic characters (base shapes, tail modifiers, hyphen etc.), which I already expressed back then when Brian published his "curve-line" article.

(30-09-2016, 02:17 PM)ThomasCoon Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Thank you Wladimir - these are really wonderful images! And now I can find your examples easily, and contribute some things of my own

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Here is one thing I saw the other day - <s> written above <a>, as if the scribe made a mistake and forgot a letter. If the text was nonsense made from a grid, he would not have needed to correct anything (who would care if a single letter was missing?)




Second image: It looks like the scribe wrote <t> first and then changed it to <k>, meaning the two could be different:

 translation on picture bellow , maybe is helpful for you

Who can explain the cause such spelling gallows "f" and "p"? My explanation I will publish tomorrow.
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Anton, if you decomposed gallows "f" and "k" with modifiers t1 and t2 into two partsYou are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.  , then you must recognize the independent existence the "vertical line" character. Is it so?
A new example of "vertical line" on f70r2.  (is rotated 90 degrees)