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What makes them specifically Beneventan? Could you provide a simple side by side image of the glyphs from VMS and the corresponding Beneventan glyphs?
(Yesterday, 12:29 PM)oshfdk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Some of these glyphs were previously matched with embellished initials in other medieval manuscripts: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
What makes them specifically Beneventan? Could you provide a simple side by side image of the glyphs from VMS and the corresponding Beneventan glyphs?
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For the V especially, it is possible to find good matches: You are not allowed to view links.
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One of the things that would supposedly set Beneventan apart is the use of the 3-shape for an omitted m/n, but like Nablator says, these are pretty universal.
Some letterforms are unique to Beneventan, but I don't see them offering any additional explanations.
(Yesterday, 12:39 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.For the V especially, it is possible to find good matches: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
One of the things that would supposedly set Beneventan apart is the use of the 3-shape for an omitted m/n, but like Nablator says, these are pretty universal.
Some letterforms are unique to Beneventan, but I don't see them offering any additional explanations.
If it is pretty universal, please provide an example of the use of sideways (flying) letter 'm' in a non-Beneventan script.
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Ok, I can do this myself. Here they are. I'd call this "remarkably similar", but the wavy line in the Voynich MS is written differently. If this is the best match, then I won't say it's conclusive.
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But even if it is, and this weirdo symbol is based on that Beneventan glyph, this won't help much, I'm afraid. The scribe was familiar with Beneventan, so what?
The Voynich MS writing looks nothing, zero, zilch like Beneventan. That is not just my personal opinion.
Of course, if anyone is interested in following this up, it is their choice...
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Ok, I can do this myself. Here they are. I'd call this "remarkably similar", but the wavy line in the Voynich MS is written differently. If this is the best match, then I won't say this is conclusive.
But even if it is, and this weirdo symbol is based on that Beneventan glyph, this won't help much, I'm afraid. The scribe was familiar with Beneventan, so what?
Well, at least one symbol in the cipher manuscript can be identified with some certainty for the past hundred years of research.
I do not think it was accidentally depicted in You are not allowed to view links.
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(Yesterday, 12:56 PM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The Voynich MS writing looks nothing, zero, zilch like Beneventan. That is not just my personal opinion.
Of course, if anyone is interested in following this up, it is their choice...
I am not saying that the script itself is Beneventan. Please read the previous posts.
(Yesterday, 01:02 PM)Dobri Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Well, at least one symbol in the cipher manuscript can be identified with some certainty for the past hundred years of research.
I do not think it was accidentally depicted in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. .
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There are many symbols in the Voynich MS that look like something or other. I think it takes more than just visual similarity to conclusively prove that the scribe had some particular symbol in mind when writing a certain shape.
Yes, I agree that one of the red weirdos looks like a certain Beneventan combination of symbols. Visually they are very similar, yes. It takes much more to prove they are actually the same.
(Yesterday, 01:02 PM)Dobri Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Well, at least one symbol in the cipher manuscript can be identified with some certainty for the past hundred years of research.
"With some certainty" is not yet justified.
I wrote You are not allowed to view links.
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There was a whole thread here (or in Stephen Bax's blog) showing that the same symbol was used as a paragraph marker in Spanish manuscripts. I would not know how to search for that but perhaps someone else remembers.