The Voynich Ninja

Any updated readings of f17r's marginalia?

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I split this into a new thread, it's probably worth its own discussion. I'm quite interested in people's opinion on the newly visited words. Her pallamnia? 

Well, JKP made a comment in this thread: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. where in response to MarcoP, who found the word "mallior" in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., said "I can read most of the words, but I have no idea what they mean by "mallior". It has something to do with the metal materials, but I'm not sure what."

This is interesting, because of the later word in the sentence (?) which we now see clearly, ending in "lamnia" ... which means metal sheet or coin in Latin, apparently.

I think Mallior was also a Hungarian heavy metal band!

Julian

Also, the very last word... is that really Voynichese?

(10-09-2024, 01:47 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Also, the very last word... is that really Voynichese?

This is my first answer on this beautiful platform, although I have spent a lot of time here. But yes, I do think that last word is Voynichese. I read it as "aim". 

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Valentin

(10-09-2024, 01:47 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Also, the very last word... is that really Voynichese?

It's possible, the last glyph might well be a m or g (unlikely after i) or, if it is only a loop, there are similar endings in the main text, with a disjointed loop.

For example:
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I have a notation "+" for this in my transliteration, when the last stroke of the previous glyph is reused by omission: i+m, a+m.

There are also several hybrid n/m - intentional or not, go figure - this might be the case here as the final loop starts lower than it should for m.

For example:
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For me the last word is aim but could be also aig
The tail is a bit different from a loop but as MarcoP shows, human touch is different each time.

(10-09-2024, 04:29 PM)V A L E N T I N Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.This is my first answer on this beautiful platform

Oh why thank you   A worthy first post



So it is probably -m. It is interesting that this is one of those "end of line" characters, and here it pops up at the end of a line of marginalia. The writer seems to have been very well informed.

(10-09-2024, 08:30 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.So it is probably -m. It is interesting that this is one of those "end of line" characters, and here it pops up at the end of a line of marginalia. The writer seems to have been very well informed.

It might or it might just be consequential as a voynichese word was used in a non-voynichese sentence (?), and that for me is even more interesting.
A natural language and a non-natural (for now at least) language mix seamlessly together forming together a realistic sentence (?).
I would have thought that mixing voynichese with non-voynichese would be a non-sequitur. Seems not, and seems it works like a language.

its curious how the marginalia here and on f-66r and f-116v all contain some voynichese.