The Voynich Ninja

Just to go back to the "cross" for a moment, I was going to share this but I decided not to due to the seemingly fairly definitive theory online that this MS is a fake, and even if it is not, not much is known. But I was checking out Koens youtube discussion on the MS, so I thought maybe its ok to throw it into the pot. 

Obviously this is massively over analysing a faded, rough, cross shape. But I just wonder.. and I had the images to hand anyway so.. 

The Rohonc Codex has "wobbly crosses" on buildings and chairs and normal crosses elsewhere, there's even one on the building in the foreground on one of these images, then further way it gets "wobbly". One of the previous posts about tents also caught my eye because some of these images seem to show tents also

I've been trying to find something plausible, but while there are many... many! variations of the cross.. nothing is really "wobbly", and I know the VM artist could draw a pair of shoes and it would be a great mystery we couldn't quite work out, because they just seem to like doing that.... but a cross is 2 strokes.. you could ask 100 children to draw a cross and none of them would come back done in the way the VM cross is drawn.. I know I should just let it go, it's a quick, sloppy cross.. but for some reason I keep thinking about it and the ones in the Rohonc Codex 

Nothing true in this paper.
Sorry Jessica, for much to do about nothing.

The VM cross is a tiny, tiny detail, drawn with a literal feather from an animal onto the uneven skin of another animal. I think it's pretty alright, given the circumstances. It even seems to respect the perspective a bit.

Is it even certain that the "cross" was actually drawn and isn't just an ink bleed? Personally I think it's far too small to have been an intentional detail.

Yep agree with all, definitely not a hill I wish to defend   

However I have found your roof decorations and merlons in the same place, which happens to have absolutely loads of similarities with the VM drawings of walls/buildings/cliff face etc, need to finish some work then I'll dig into exactly what was where and when, and make a post on it

Bellinzona - Switzerland. There's a lot in this area you could compare in my opinion.. but specifically roofs + merlons
Both walls have the merlons, inner is 14th century, outer is 15th

Montebello Castle 



Thought the coat of arms of the house of Visconti who held control of Bellinzona until 1447 was interesting too

Sure people have seen this MS before, but came across it last night. Lots of similar architecture 

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F155r linked + Description, as I thought the walls and mountain top was interesting when considering the VM foldout, but the French artist seems to have given everyone similar rooftop architecture, whether that is accurate or not I don't know..  

Date Statement:
Dated 1436

Description:
Area of the Comes Italiae.
The manuscript is modelled after the Carolingian copy (the lost Carolingian "Codex Spirensis") of a late antique manuscript. This manuscript is the earliest copy of this text to survive complete, made at Basel in 1436 by an Italian scribe and a French illuminator (Peronet Lamy) for Petrus Donatus, bishop of Padua. The Notitia Dignitatum, a hand-book dealing with the military and civil organisation of the late Roman Empire, contains views on all important imperial officials, both military and civil, including their insignia of rank, office staff and administrative subordinates. Page references are given to 0. Seeck's edition of the Notitia: Notitia Dignitatum, Frankfurt, 1962.

A couple of years ago, I collected some similar details in Bodleian Library MS. Canon. Misc. 378 and the Rosettes page:

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(02-07-2024, 02:47 AM)Bluetoes101 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Isn't the overall idea of pressing vast amount of olives with feet (in Germany?) in the 15th century a bit far fetched? Context also considered (impossible cipher employed), so the olive police don't find out? People rebelled against the olive press? Are all the other plants going to be olives too?

"It is now determined that the purpose of the Voynich Manuscript is to make olive oil based electuaries to fight infection and other ailments, depending on one’s humoral disposition and time of birth during the year indicated by an individual's star sign (see rotulo sideris in the translation of Paragraph 4)."

The idea of olives are more than farfetched. I think the author has never seen real olives. They are hard with an even harder seed inside. To extract oil they had to be ground between two very heavy rocks, u often pulled in circles by a mule or a similar animal. No way ever they could crushed by human feet. I think it would even hurt your feet if you tried walking on olives. Then - olive trees don’t grow in Germany. Not now, not in Middle Ages. They need a Mediterranean climate only.

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It seems difficult to figure out exactly how the Latin was produced. "Gestalt Perception" allows quite a lot of freedom of interpretation...

samen (not Latin) /semen is daiin, according to The Translation of The Voynich Manuscript: Folio 1r page 16.

The Gestalt Perception was not in reference to "samen/semen" but to electuarias and caelestias, etc - specifically using the more unusual ligatures.  It does not allow a lot of freedom at all.

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(02-07-2024, 02:47 AM)Bluetoes101 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Isn't the overall idea of pressing vast amount of olives with feet (in Germany?) in the 15th century a bit far fetched? Context also considered (impossible cipher employed), so the olive police don't find out? People rebelled against the olive press? Are all the other plants going to be olives too?

"It is now determined that the purpose of the Voynich Manuscript is to make olive oil based electuaries to fight infection and other ailments, depending on one’s humoral disposition and time of birth during the year indicated by an individual's star sign (see rotulo sideris in the translation of Paragraph 4)."

The idea of olives are more than farfetched. I think the author has never seen real olives. They are hard with an even harder seed inside. To extract oil they had to be ground between two very heavy rocks, u often pulled in circles by a mule or a similar animal. No way ever they could crushed by human feet. I think it would even hurt your feet if you tried walking on olives. Then - olive trees don’t grow in Germany. Not now, not in Middle Ages. They need a Mediterranean climate only.

All it takes is a quick google to realize Switzerland was heavy in olive production in the middle ages and onward.