25-03-2022, 06:54 PM
If VMs text is distinguished by format into three types: 1) standard, horizontal text, 2) circular text, and 3) labels; has there been a separate analysis of the circular text and a comparison with the horizontal portion?
25-03-2022, 06:54 PM
25-03-2022, 08:02 PM
(25-03-2022, 06:54 PM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.has there been a separate analysis of the circular text and a comparison with the horizontal portion?
What should the comparison specifically refer to (for example, typeface, text statistics, or possibly context with pictorial representations ) ?
25-03-2022, 08:58 PM
(25-03-2022, 06:54 PM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.... has there been a separate analysis of the circular text ...?
That is a good question,
as far as i'm aware there is no study or stats on the circular text,
though this is the VMS we are talking about so i bet someone,somewhere has done something in this vein.
Aha, theres a little bit here , oh and a loci classifier for circular text.
See: Sub heading 'Inventory of the transliterated text' on 'Text Analysis - Transliteration of the Text' on voynich.nu
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25-03-2022, 09:18 PM
Comparative vocabulary would be a start. Is there some measure by which the horizontal and the circular texts can be shown to differ? And perhaps the parts written by individual scribes can be further examined.
Some pages have a fair amount of circular text. Is there a common vocabulary among these examples or does each page stand alone?
It seems to me that most text analysis is based of aggregated information, when, perhaps, there needs to be more examination of individual text segments. The various circular texts comprise predetermined text segments.
Some pages have a fair amount of circular text. Is there a common vocabulary among these examples or does each page stand alone?
It seems to me that most text analysis is based of aggregated information, when, perhaps, there needs to be more examination of individual text segments. The various circular texts comprise predetermined text segments.
25-03-2022, 09:21 PM
_<fRos.114,+Ca> <!below clock><!06:30>o.dar.[aiird:???]
Wow that's neat ,never knew that, the only circular text written in a counter-clockwise direction:
Source:
#=IVTFF Eva- 1.7
# ZL transliteration file, updated from EVMT project
# Version 1r of 11/04/2020
Wow that's neat ,never knew that, the only circular text written in a counter-clockwise direction:
Source:
#=IVTFF Eva- 1.7
# ZL transliteration file, updated from EVMT project
# Version 1r of 11/04/2020
25-03-2022, 09:35 PM
I agree that that's a good idea about the comparative vocabulary. When writing that post about the spatial split, I thought of whether the vord statistics of labels and of circular text on one and the same folio would differ.
The foremost thing would be simply the plain number of vords in the two subsets within the same folio.
I understand that this is not exactly what R.Sale has in mind, but just would like to point one possible avenue of research.
The foremost thing would be simply the plain number of vords in the two subsets within the same folio.
I understand that this is not exactly what R.Sale has in mind, but just would like to point one possible avenue of research.
25-03-2022, 11:43 PM
(25-03-2022, 06:54 PM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.If VMs text is distinguished by format into three types: 1) standard, horizontal text, 2) circular text, and 3) labels; has there been a separate analysis of the circular text and a comparison with the horizontal portion?
A few months ago when I was trying to investigate positional patterns in "paragraphic" text, I tried a similar analysis of circular text, setting position clockwise "around the circle" equivalent to position from left to right in a line and position "outward from center" equivalent to line numbers in paragraphs.
I didn't find any comparable patterns at all.
26-03-2022, 12:20 AM
I just quickly made this with some code that was laying around, i in no way vouch for its accuracy. (Used TT transcription)
Observations:
The lovable 'daiin' drops from 1st in all-text to 8th in the circular text.
'oteos', 'oteey' and 'o' all rise from the depths to put in an appearance in the Circular Top10.
'aiin' barely moves.
The subset of circular-text is waaay smaller than all-text.
Hopefully someone with more skills can do a better job than this.
Code:
Circular text(Ct) Ct-rank all-text rank
word count 1974 word count 37759
count word
47 ar r1 r8
40 al r2 r18
40 aiin r3 r4
27 oteey r4 r42
27 dar r5 r10
22 dal r6 r19
19 oteos r7 r200
19 daiin r8 r1
18 o r9 r75
18 dy r10 r16Observations:
The lovable 'daiin' drops from 1st in all-text to 8th in the circular text.
'oteos', 'oteey' and 'o' all rise from the depths to put in an appearance in the Circular Top10.
'aiin' barely moves.
The subset of circular-text is waaay smaller than all-text.
Hopefully someone with more skills can do a better job than this.
26-03-2022, 01:06 AM
I really know almost nothing about text analysis, but take a look at the 'daiin' distribution RobGea found. That's distinctively one-sided. Surely those familiar with text analysis may see much more.
I am mainly interested in the banded text of VMs White Aries. And one thing I noticed there was that the glyphs that were used seem to come from the first part of the 4 x 17 glyph sequence. That limitation may apply to other circular texts from the VMs Zodiac, and perhaps in other circles. Do benched gallows distribute evenly in different formats?
What is the relative size of the horizontal, circular and label formats?
The existence of so many short vords in the in the top ten is problematic in that it is difficult to evaluate the significance of short words generally. By default ,we are left with the hope that the longer words carry more 'meaning'. There needs to be a top ten or 20 for vords that are 5+ glyphs in length. Then see how the examples are distributed.
I am mainly interested in the banded text of VMs White Aries. And one thing I noticed there was that the glyphs that were used seem to come from the first part of the 4 x 17 glyph sequence. That limitation may apply to other circular texts from the VMs Zodiac, and perhaps in other circles. Do benched gallows distribute evenly in different formats?
What is the relative size of the horizontal, circular and label formats?
The existence of so many short vords in the in the top ten is problematic in that it is difficult to evaluate the significance of short words generally. By default ,we are left with the hope that the longer words carry more 'meaning'. There needs to be a top ten or 20 for vords that are 5+ glyphs in length. Then see how the examples are distributed.
26-03-2022, 02:30 AM