About the Prague Virgo, the posture of the hands is a better match for the Voynich Virgo than many other candidates.
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Also the way in which the dress is draped on the edge of the circle is unusual and somehow similar to the VMS: in most cases, when there is a circular medallion, the figure either is entirely inside the circle (without touching the edge) or part of the figure is cut off by the circle and is not visible. In some cases, the rim of the dress or the feet of the figure "overflow" beyond the edge of the circle.
These are some of the Virgos from zodiacs that Gioynich labelled as having a circular frame.
Also the hat matches pretty well
For hands and inexpert handling of the 3/4 head shape, l have always liked the Sang.827 in Marco’s continued post. The parallels even had me seriously thinking the VM Virgo is crouching/sitting, which l know is debatable.
But l agree that the blue puffy beret and relatively unique color and skirt arrangement of the Prague Virgo is quite striking. I just wish it faced the other way, although l guess the use of a lens for the copying (or working off a woodblock copy of the original) can explain direction flips very easily.
Taking everything Marco noticed into account, I'd say this is our best parallel overall. Do we have access to the full series of this MS? (I'm on my phone right now)
If you really want, and that's a big if, you can even see a white star on the VM Virgo's hat. But it's always risky to interpret uneven paint.
(07-02-2021, 06:53 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Taking everything Marco noticed into account, I'd say this is our best parallel overall. Do we have access to the full series of this MS? (I'm on my phone right now)
If you really want, and that's a big if, you can even see a white star on the VM Virgo's hat. But it's always risky to interpret uneven paint.
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Yes -- Gioynich provided a link in post 18 -- or the above link worked for my phone if you click on the "Faksimile" tab -- but I didn't see a lot of other parallels, unfortunately. Eh -- I can't get my phone to magnify individual pages, so you may have to wait.
There is a second "Virgo" on the Gemini page (with same hat and dress and holding flowers but different colors) -- which seems to have been used as "picking flowers" for labor of the month.
I agree that the other signs are not nearly as close as the Virgo. So even though the Virgo in this MS and the VM are clearly related, there must be at least one step in between.
(That is, if we assume the VM got its Zodiac signs entirely from one set).
Anyone care to offer a suggestion as to how a 13th C Prague image might have influenced the VMs?
NOTE: DATING IN ERROR! SEE BELOW!
Now the chronology is good, there's just the geography.
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Also see the thread 'Females on Moons' if the VMs version is thought to be a combination of astrological Virgo plus the Virgin Mary on the crescent moon.
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(07-02-2021, 08:49 PM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Anyone care to offer a suggestion as to how a 13th C Prague image might have influenced the VMs?
Also see the thread 'Females on Moons' if the VMs version is thought to be a combination of astrological Virgo plus the Virgin Mary on the crescent moon.
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Just so things don't get confused -- it appears that the "Signature" (Call No.?) is XIII.C.1a, but the dating is first decade of the 15th century.
Google translate below:
Country: Czech Republic
Location: Prague
Library: National Library of the Czech Republic
Signature: XIII.C.1a
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Title: [Breviarium monasterii s. Georgii]
Dating: the first decade of the 15th century
The pointy sleeves with the jagged edges are not seen in this Virgo image.
From what I recall, these were quite typical for the 1420's.
Doesn't fashion depend on date and location? Were dagged sleeves in fashion in Prague at that time? <the first decade of the 15th century> We are in Prague, aren't we???