Looking for books written on the subject there are a few that seem to fit with the timeline such as:
The Fifteenth Century: The Prospect of Europe (History of European Civilization Library) by Margaret Aston
I suppose really one is looking at something more like a history of the first half of the 15th century. I doubt one could find a book entitled the History of Europe from 1404 to 1438. I accept of course that earlier events had a impact on events of that period going all the way back to the big bang, but I have tried to restrict the subject to events contemporaneous with the Voynich.
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I see the reference to the German spelling in the VM as important. ( Dialects )
How do I bring this under one roof with the other references?
What about the development of the language in the possible area up to 1440?
Was Italian really the dominant language in the area in question? History provides an explanation.
(16-01-2021, 11:50 PM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Important or big events have certainly happened all over Europe.
But where are the references in the VM ? I don't see any where I could classify them as important.
Well in my own personal theory the Council of Basel, the Pope, the Antipope and possibly the Holy Roman Emperor have some relevance.
As we cannot say what the Voynich says I don't think we can say what is relevant directly or indirectly. Nevertheless I think the background to the time from which the Voynich dates can hardly be dismissed as irrelevant.
I suppose to make it even simpler if you were to write a normal sized book on European History from 1404 to 1438 what would you include?
I am not saying that events had no influence on the author. I just don't see any events in the VM.
Surely the plague would have had an influence, but I don't see it.
Maybe he wrote about it, but that would be speculation.
Therefore not relevant for me
Wikipedia of fifteenth century history offers up:
1410: The Battle of Grunwald is the decisive battle of the Polish–Lithuanian–Teutonic War leading to the downfall of the Teutonic Knights.
1410-1415: The last Welsh war of independence, led by Owain Glyndŵr.
1415: Henry the Navigator leads the conquest of Ceuta from the Moors marking the beginning of the Portuguese Empire.
1415: Battle of Agincourt fought between the Kingdom of England and France.
1415: Jan Hus is burned at the stake as a heretic at the Council of Constance.
1419–1433: The Hussite Wars in Bohemia.
1424: James I returns to Scotland after being held hostage under three Kings of England since 1406.
1429: Joan of Arc ends the Siege of Orléans and turns the tide of the Hundred Years' War.
1431 January 9 – Pretrial investigations for Joan of Arc begin in Rouen, France under English occupation.
1431 March 3 – Pope Eugene IV succeeds Pope Martin V, to become the 207th pope.
1431 March 26 – The trial of Joan of Arc begins.
1431 May 30 – Nineteen-year-old Joan of Arc is burned at the stake.
1431 June 16 – the Teutonic Knights and Švitrigaila sign the Treaty of Christmemel, creating anti-Polish alliance
1431 September – Battle of Inverlochy: Donald Balloch defeats the Royalists.
1431 October 30 – Treaty of Medina del Campo, consolidating peace between Portugal and Castille.
1431 December 16 – Henry VI of England is crowned King of France.
I have found some of the images of changing political maps for that time interesting(not historic maps, but modern maps of politics in that time). I think also knowing the different rules for the different regions at different times is interesting.
It's not just a wine.
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It was a country.
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For those who think it might be an old Slavic in the VM. Shit, yes. All the clues would coincide in the green circle.
It was called the Duchy of Carniola. From 1365 territory of the Habsburgs.
And that in the middle of the language salad
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Mark,
I said scatter gun approach. You can't build up a list of events from a specific time period from Wikipedia and then try to match to the voynich.
If there was anything that obvious the many specialists and informed amateurs would have spotted it by now.
Anyone doing that is just running the risk of confirmational basis - this nymph looks a bit like a pope so must be the anti pope..
(note that I'm not accusing you of this, but I'm just warning of a danger to be avoided)
Anybody who wants to study the Voynich should instead take a holistic approach to the history of the period, trying to understand more about the social, political and economic life of the time across Europe. That gives you a much better insight into the mindset of the possible creators; you can then try to see if they were reflecting momentous events in their work.
(17-01-2021, 08:25 AM)davidjackson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You can't build up a list of events from a specific time period from Wikipedia and then try to match to the voynich.
If there was anything that obvious the many specialists and informed amateurs would have spotted it by now.
Anyone doing that is just running the risk of confirmational basis - this nymph looks a bit like a pope so must be the anti pope.
You seem to make all sorts of incorrect assumptions about what I trying to do. I have said nowhere that I am trying to match a timeline with the Voynich.
What I am trying to do is much more indirect than you suggest. I think a historical timeline for the period is interesting and overall relevant to the Voynich.
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Anybody who wants to study the Voynich should instead take a holistic approach to the history of the period, trying to understand more about the social, political and economic life of the time across Europe. That gives you a much better insight into the mindset of the possible creators; you can then try to see if they were reflecting momentous events in their work.
It's not an either or situation. I have nowhere suggested that a historical timeline is the only way to study the Voynich, but rather that it is relevant. This is one aspect of the backdrop to the Voynich manuscript. I have not suggested that people should not study the social, political
and economic life of the time across Europe. To me this is like commenting on a thread about plant imagery and saying that this should be studied in conjunction with the zodiac imagery, the materials from which the manuscript is made etc. Studying one thing does not preclude the study of other things.