It's easy to find Hebrew words in the VMS. I can find tons of them. For example, one of the map paths in that area says turn to the side (which could mean the person needs to turn while walking or could mean turn the map). Lots of it makes contextual sense.
The problem is, I can also find words and whole phrases in many other languages using the same VMS glyphs. In one language, I found six words in a row that were not only spelled right but were grammatically perfect.
The way to know if one is on the right track is if a whole chunk of (not just a few words) is amenable to the same system. If a few words work and the ones nearby do not, then it's probably just an artifact of the VMS glyphs resembling consonant-vowel patterns in many languages, or an artifact of adding in vowels (as in abjads) to create valid words.
(16-01-2020, 09:32 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Hi Rebekah
There have been at least a hundred people before you who have had the same feeling, in a hundred different ways. So far it remains untranslated.
There are some people here on the forum who are very experienced with the Voynich text, and they can say what may be the problems with your approach. Or maybe confirm that you are the first one who doesn't fall in the same traps as everyone else.
If you are looking for feedback, the best you can do is post an example of how you read the text. If you want people to just believe that you can read the text, you will mostly meet skepticism because well.. each year many people claim they can.
That's great that that many people are interested in the Voynich MS. But check this out: on the Map page in the lower-left corner is what is essentially our Compass Rose with the directional notions; North, South, East & West. With this information alone, someone should be able to translate the Voynich MS into the language that it was written in....ancient perfect Hebrew; including all of it's vowels. Because the alphabet is located in the circle on Folio 57v.; and again the alphabet is located on Folio 66r.
The Voynich MS is basically the account of a young man that was tried twice by his people, convicted once, and then banished for all time, to his death. It is a terribly sad account. And the young man, called, "Poar", was terribly repentant and thoroughly regretted the unforeseen consequences of his actions. Which brought pain and suffering to several people. That is why all the woman in the circles....at Poar's trial's, are crying tears of BLOOD.
After he was found by the Jesuit's; Poar then lived in a Jesuit monastery (somewhere in the northern most part of Siberia, but I cannot remember the name of the monastery), for nearly 50 years. He penned, what I heard, 4 Volumes describing himself and his homeland, and 1 glossary (some of which we still have in folios at the end of the Voynich MS). After Poar's death sometime in the mid-1400's; the Jesuit's who had housed him, took his 4 Volumes and 1 Glossary and took out the parts that they believed would be considered Heresy if anyone was to see them; and the rest of the world got what we have today known as the Voynich MS.
Because it is written in ancient Hebrew I totally recognize some of the words, like; on Folio 68?v. pull-out, the first circle on the left has 2 words separated by a line. the word on the left is: atta-dae; which means "father-?"; the other word is: aphe-caedd; which means "mother-?". In fact, the entire Folio 68v. pull-out, is the young man' entire FAMILY Geneology. You will find the young man's name listed with his brother's and sister's name's under the words mother and father...his name was Poar!
I can tell you all about the circles with the pregnant woman accusing Poar of his crimes. And I could tell you all about the pregnant women in the banal pools (if you look closely you will see that the names of the women who are accusing Poar of crimes are the same women that he drew in the Banal pools). Their names are also listed in the families geneology.
I know all of this because I can READ the Voynich MS.
(17-01-2020, 12:40 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It's easy to find Hebrew words in the VMS. I can find tons of them. For example, one of the map paths in that area says turn to the side (which could mean the person needs to turn while walking or could mean turn the map). Lots of it makes contextual sense.
The problem is, I can also find words and whole phrases in many other languages using the same VMS glyphs. In one language, I found six words in a row that were not only spelled right but were grammatically perfect.
The way to know if one is on the right track is if a whole chunk of (not just a few words) is amenable to the same system. If a few words work and the ones nearby do not, then it's probably just an artifact of the VMS glyphs resembling consonant-vowel patterns in many languages, or an artifact of adding in vowels (as in abjads) to create valid words.
Thanks for your reply. I do understand that I could easily read things that are not there if I really could not read it. I get that. But the author of the Voynich MS put the alphabet in this document 2 times, once in the circle at Folio 57v. and then again at Folio 66r. The writing is thee most perfect form of Hebrew dialect ever written or ever spoken, and one has to look at the word with the Hebrew dialect in mind. Because this is ancient Hebrew; with it's vowels.
I easily recognize from the Bible the Goat of Sacrifice (spelled, "axuy" drawn in the circle at Folio 71v. and 72r. and the Goat of Atonement/Forgiveness (spelled, " abinal), in the circle at Folio 70v. left circle, and again in the pull-out at Folio 71r. I also recognize from my Hebrew lessons the symbol for Banishment (it's spelled, mouche"), as drawn in the circle at Folio 73r.
The Voynich MS is in fact the account of a young man by the name of "Poar", who was tried twice, convicted once, and then sentenced to be banished by his people. It is a very sad story of regret and repentance, and I can READ it! I can read all of it!
(16-01-2020, 09:34 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (16-01-2020, 08:35 PM)Rebekah Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....
I can read this book and given the next 50 years, I may even be able to have it completely translated by then.
I am looking to have help translating it...as I am not fluent in ancient Hebrew dialect. But I do know for a fact that the words in the Green Diamond on the bottom left corner of the Map are in fact the Compass Rose directional notations for: North, South, East & West. With this knowledge, anyone should be able to translate the Voynich MS (given enough time, that is...lol).
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I'm not sure what you mean by green diamond in the bottom-left. This figure on the bottom left is not a diamond nor is it green. In fact, nothing on this folio is green (although there are some splots of slightly greenish-blue):
There is an amber diamond above the bottom-left circle:
Are you referring to this? If not, could you clarify which section you mean?
Ancient Hebrew has been studied by many people, mainly because parts of the original Bible are written in this language. If compass directions are present and readable, why would it take decades to decipher the rest of the manuscript?
Yes...the lower picture is the Compass Rose directional notations: North, South, East and West. Really.
Rebekah WHICH lower picture? The very small one in the lower left? (it is not diamond-shaped and it is not green).
Or do you mean the diamond-shape above the lower-left rosette?
Post your EXACT translation for these four compass points please and let use know which drawing you mean by "Compass Rose". You're not being at all clear. There are a lot of shapes on that folio.
(16-01-2020, 10:36 PM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Seriously? That's fabulous!
How is Poar's name written in the Voynich Manuscript?
It is in his Family Geneology listed in Folio 68v. first circle. In the middle are 2 words: "atta-dae"; meaning father-?, and "aphe-caedd"; meaning mother-?...Poar is listed as the first name under the words, father and mother; along with his brother's and sisters.
Poar's first name (and last name) are also written under his picture in the circle on Folio 73v.
I could tell you everything but to tired right now. But message me with any other questions you may have and I will certainly answer them if I am able.
I think she means the lower of the two in post #5. But it is still abiguous in that it could still mean the lower of the two on the folio, which would make it the other one. In all seriousness, I'm not sure we're being serious anymore.
(16-01-2020, 11:43 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I keep wondering why someone would add compass points when there is a T-O in the top-right corner.
The only possible reason I can think of so far (other than someone who has a lot of free time and isn't bothered by redundancy) is that if it were a strip map, then orientation could change depending on where you are on the path, and maybe the orientation would be repeated in a second place for clarity for this particular strip.
I am seriously not sure of what you are saying. I am an avid sailor and I know where this map comes from and where it is going to; and one day I will go there myself Jehovah, God willing.