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RE: ARTIFACTS IN THE TEXT.
nablator > 17-09-2018, 06:04 PM
(17-09-2018, 02:30 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I think some of the fancy gallows (the ones that are stacked vertically) might be a way of writing gallows + gallows.
Since they are only found on the first line of paragraphs, they are not useful in the rest of the text. My speculation is that they allude to how the cipher works.
Quote:The word cistus (a kind of wild rose) is usually written cisty (cist + [us]), but occasionally it was written gm (cis+tis) and this less common variation was perfectly readable.
Anything too easily identifiable, such as Latin abbreviations, is probably part of the deception, not part of the solution, so I am looking for alternative interpretations. -
RE: ARTIFACTS IN THE TEXT.
Wladimir D > 17-09-2018, 06:49 PM
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RE: ARTIFACTS IN THE TEXT.
-JKP- > 18-09-2018, 01:47 AM
(17-09-2018, 06:49 PM)Wladimir D Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
JKP / Do I understand your examples of ligatures "co" & "cl" correctly?
What does the ligature on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. mean?
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Wladimir, I have 80% of a blog written about the "cl" ligature and the shape that looks like it in the VMS. The blog includes statistical support for my opinions... but I don't know if I'll ever find time to finish the blog, I have about 30 blogs in draft mode and not enough free time (very very frustrating), so I guess I'll simply state my viewpoint here:
It's my opinion that EVA-d (d) and the VMS variant of EVA-d with the straight stem are two different shapes, just as they are two different shapes in manuscripts that use Latin scribal conventions. Once again, this means that most VMS transcripts are useless, since they tend to treat round-d and straight-stem d as the same character.
(17-09-2018, 06:49 PM)Wladimir D Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
JKP / Do I understand your examples of ligatures "co" & "cl" correctly?
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The "co" ligature is different from the ligature and abbreviation "tails". It is basically a c+o written for rapid writing (this form is especially common in Spanish manuscripts, but can also be found in Latin, French, and German manuscripts) and doesn't fit into the same category as VMS s or r.
VMS s is identical in shape to Latin e or c or e with a tail. VMS r is identical in shape to Latin i or r (and sometimes t) with a tail.
(17-09-2018, 06:49 PM)Wladimir D Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
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Is it possible to consider a "smoke" on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. analogue 1r “weirdo”?
Yes, I think it's possible. There are quite a few macrons and curved macrons throughout the VMS, so it's quite possible that the example you point out on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. might be the "smoke" apostrophe. In Latin this shape which I sometimes call the "squiggle" apostrophe (just because I think it sounds funny) usually stands for er/re/ir/ri or just r.
Here are some examples of the "smoke" apostrophe in Latin, Italian, German, Austrian, and French manuscripts. Note that it is sometimes written horizontally, but it means the same thing:
![[Image: SmokeApostrophe.png]](https://voynichportal.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/SmokeApostrophe.png)
You can see from the examples, that it frequently stands for "er" but often "ir" (it is usually something with "r"). In early medieval script and some legal documents, the smoke apostrophe was sometimes written as l but it meant the same thing. -
RE: ARTIFACTS IN THE TEXT.
-JKP- > 10-10-2018, 08:27 PM
In Pisces, a very interesting instance of a glyph drawn like k, but it is at the end of the token and, like m, is drawn with a descending tail:
![[Image: EVAkEVAm.png]](https://voynichportal.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/EVAkEVAm.png)
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RE: ARTIFACTS IN THE TEXT.
-JKP- > 10-10-2018, 08:31 PM
Also, very interesting, this is different handwriting, very different from the other hands in the manuscript.
Whoever wrote it understood the basic Voynichese glyphs, but did not handle a pen in the same way. The one on the right may be in this same alternate hand but it's harder to tell because it doesn't have the long telltale descenders, but note how the "9" doesn't have the same thick/thin characteristics as the other text:
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RE: ARTIFACTS IN THE TEXT.
Anton > 10-10-2018, 09:32 PM
Hmm indeed, the m in the left is unusual. -
RE: ARTIFACTS IN THE TEXT.
Wladimir D > 11-10-2018, 05:14 AM
There is another strange gallows. Here, the writer did not even consider it necessary (simplified writing) to make loops on the right and left. From this example, you can make the assumption that the loops are just decoration, or these two “vertical lines” intersect with a horizontal line. As if he was trying to write a Latin double “L” with a macron.
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RE: ARTIFACTS IN THE TEXT.
-JKP- > 11-10-2018, 08:34 AM
You're right, Wladimir, double-ell with a macron would look like that.
Also notice the "cap" on the ch to the right of it is written like a full "9" apostrophe (in Latin, it usually represents "us" when superscripted in the middle of a word like this). -
RE: ARTIFACTS IN THE TEXT.
-JKP- > 12-10-2018, 09:36 AM
If one considers that "[font=Mediaevi]Item"[/font] in Latin and "Il" in French are both written like k[font=Arial], and that the letter pi in Greek is sometimes written with two loops at the top, AND that double-ell with a macron is written with the macron crossing the ascenders, it's really not so surprising that a glyph designer would come up with the shape for [font=Eva]t.[/font][/font] -
RE: ARTIFACTS IN THE TEXT.
Wladimir D > 14-11-2018, 08:34 PM
I have lost the opportunity to retransmit the EVA alphabet from the WORD program in posts. There is a reflection in Latin. Therefore, I will insert pictures here.