Emma May Smith > 08-09-2016, 05:47 PM
julian > 08-09-2016, 05:48 PM
(08-09-2016, 09:15 AM)don of tallahassee Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The files were all sent me by a mysterious person known by an alias and as G.C., who is now deceased. Rene can probably fill in the history of his involvement with the VMS. I think all of the files are of his authorship.
I hope someone can get some use out of them. They represent a lot of work by him (or whomever).
Thank you.
Don of Tallahassee
(08-09-2016, 05:47 PM)Emma May Smith Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Hi Julian, I haven't been doing any research lately but your post made me want to comment and speak up for my own hypothesis regarding [daiin] and [aiin].
I believe that your key observation is right: these are the same word. However, I think the reasoning is more complex than a simple difference between A and B languages. Both [aiin] and [daiin] occur in both languages and the split between them is not so clear based on this difference.
However, when we look at the beginning of sentences I feel that we find our best clue: [aiin] doesn't occur at the beginning of sentences, even in Currier B, but [daiin] does. The same pattern can be seen for words beginning with [d] and [a] as a whole: [d] is common at the beginning of lines, whereas [a] is almost absent. I believe that the environment at the beginning of a sentence can condition a change in the beginning of a word, and this is true for more characters than simply [d] and [a].
The cause is more difficult to pin down. I think it is phonetic, specifically to do with the interaction between preceding words (think of 'a box' and 'an apple' where the vowel at the beginning of the second word causes a change). I tried to work out a set of interlocking changes but could never square the circle, and now I've little time for research.
I would be happy to clarify any of my thoughts if you're interested, though I've put down some partial explanations on my blog.
(08-09-2016, 07:06 AM)Diane Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Julian,
(Please be gentle: I'm not a codicologist or linguist) but.. do you think it possible that the initial "8" might represent something which was a non-sound to non-natives.
Like the initial glottal stop in Arabic and Hebrew, or the BM+vowel in some African languages. Might a different attitude to how vocalisation should be represented in script explain some of these differences?.
Emma May Smith > 08-09-2016, 06:22 PM
(08-09-2016, 05:48 PM)julian Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Hi Emma,
Thanks for this comment pointing out the complexity evidenced by the word spelling differences due to their line position. It's one of the features that must be a big clue as to how the system works. (That, and the repeated glyph sequences.) However, in the case of "am" and "8am" the influence of line position may be minimal, as these words do not tend to appear at the beginnings or ends of lines, right?
Koen G > 08-09-2016, 07:42 PM
Emma May Smith > 08-09-2016, 07:59 PM
Koen G > 08-09-2016, 08:06 PM
Emma May Smith > 08-09-2016, 08:31 PM
(08-09-2016, 08:06 PM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Yes, I find it extremely interesting and almost certainly relevant to understanding Voynichese.
Is a possibility that [a] is a vowel marker which itself depends in the value of the preceding sound, and hence is not used in the beginning of a piece of text?
Koen G > 08-09-2016, 08:44 PM
Emma May Smith > 08-09-2016, 09:26 PM
(08-09-2016, 08:44 PM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Ohh right, you mean like British people would say "my idea-r is that...".
And word-initially it would be something like Spanish speakers put an "e" when a word starts with "sp" or sn" or... They will even say "Espiderman" or "Esnoopy".
I cannot think of a language where this happens with an initial vowel though, but I guess it must exist.
lelle > 09-09-2016, 12:55 PM