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• RE: A possible way to break down Voynich text

  Anton > 06-09-2016, 05:58 PM

  Quote:Glad to see I've won you over on at least this point
  
  (or was it Currier?)

  
  I think this was not the point that I disputed. What I had in mind (and still have) is that g and m use the same tail modifier, but d uses another one. What's suggestive is that gallows can be decomposed in a similar way. See this You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..

• RE: A possible way to break down Voynich text

  -JKP- > 06-09-2016, 07:51 PM

  (06-09-2016, 05:58 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  Quote:Glad to see I've won you over on at least this point
  
  (or was it Currier?)

  
  I think this was not the point that I disputed. What I had in mind (and still have) is that g and m use the same tail modifier, but d uses another one. What's suggestive is that gallows can be decomposed in a similar way. See this You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..

  
  I've spent a ridiculous amount of time pouring over the letters and trying to figure out if d is really g with a short tail, especially since it's sometimes written that way and, after all this time. I'm still not sure.

• RE: A possible way to break down Voynich text

  BrianCham1994 > 08-09-2016, 06:16 AM

  (06-09-2016, 05:58 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  Quote:Glad to see I've won you over on at least this point
  
  (or was it Currier?)

  
  I think this was not the point that I disputed. What I had in mind (and still have) is that g and m use the same tail modifier, but d uses another one. What's suggestive is that gallows can be decomposed in a similar way. See this You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..

  
  Ooh, thanks for the link Anton, very interesting discussion. d/j is another possible pair and I'm not sure why I never mentioned it in the CLS (presumably the low frequency of j made it hard to test).

• RE: A possible way to break down Voynich text

  Anton > 08-09-2016, 10:58 PM

  Are there any examples of j? If j is really there then this would mean that there are two versions of i plus t2 - namely, m and j. And this breaks the elegance of the "base shape + tail mod" scheme.

• RE: A possible way to break down Voynich text

  -JKP- > 09-09-2016, 12:30 AM

  
  
  This is from f94r.
  
  But note, in relation to this, that not every "j" char in the VMS is written as Latin "ris" some of them are drawn like the Latin "cis" with a rounded loop on the left which is more similar to the 8 glyph. I've also seen a few written like Latin "tis" but they are less common and perhaps a hasty "ris".

• RE: A possible way to break down Voynich text

  Anton > 09-09-2016, 01:00 AM

  The right one is m. The central one is d. The left one looks like it could be a candidate for j, but I'm not sure. The base shape is much more curved than a normal i would be. Most probably this is d, especially given that the dy ending is so frequent.
  
  In other words, this example does not look very pursuasive to me.
  

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  f57v, third symbol counting from the dairol reference point in the second ring from the outside is a much better example.
  
  So, j really exists.
  
  Now, is it interchangeable with d? Is it maybe a d written by a guy who did not understand how the alphabet was derived and thus did not make difference between с and i base shapes when writing a d? This is a very interesting question.
  

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  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is Currier B (and You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is by the way also Currier B).
  
  Does anyone have a list of all the folios where j is supposed to be? Would be interesting to check if all of them are Currier B or not.
  
  The ring that I mentioned is notable by that it holds the same sequence four times, but only once 8 is written as j.

• RE: A possible way to break down Voynich text

  Wladimir D > 09-09-2016, 09:45 PM

  (08-09-2016, 10:58 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Are there any examples of j? If j is really there then this would mean that there are two versions of i plus t2 - namely, m and j. And this breaks the elegance of the "base shape + tail mod" scheme.

  
  Anton. It seems are you looking for Figure 8. Reconsider carefully 1006233 file. There is many interesting things from the code 38 (v101) until "sqokeo".
  
  But I am interested Figure 1, 2, 3, 4, 7 is the code 166 (extended EVA), or "d".

• RE: A possible way to break down Voynich text

  -JKP- > 09-09-2016, 09:54 PM

  Good examples, as always, Wladimir.

• RE: A possible way to break down Voynich text

  Anton > 09-09-2016, 10:22 PM

  Wladimir, photo #8 is from which folio and line?

• RE: A possible way to break down Voynich text

  Wladimir D > 09-09-2016, 10:47 PM

  (09-09-2016, 10:22 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Wladimir, photo #8 is from which folio and line?

  
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