Anton > 24-07-2016, 09:16 PM
Oocephalus > 24-07-2016, 09:42 PM
Quote:About this detail, I think Ellie Velinska is right: the two structures are rectangular tents or baldaquins, with hanging fringes and supporting poles. I can't see how they could be the four rivers of paradise.I can see this, but couldn't this just mean that Paradise is placed above the rest of the "world" of that rosette, just as the starry sky is in the central rosette?
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Quote:Von Humboldt You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (p. 127) that the ecclesiastical (if the term may be used) year of Muysca indians contained 37 moons. He further suggests (p. 235) that the cycle of twenty times thirty seven sunas is an Asiatic one, not specifying which Asicatic calendar this is exactly.If I've understood correctly, he just says that this cycle of 20*37 sunas (thirty-day months) corresponds to 60 solar years. A 60-year cycle is present in the Chinese calendar, as a combination of a 10-year and a 12-year cycle.
Wladimir D > 25-07-2016, 08:16 AM
MarcoP > 25-07-2016, 11:18 AM
Davidsch > 25-07-2016, 01:17 PM
Oocephalus > 25-07-2016, 02:39 PM
Anton > 25-07-2016, 04:11 PM
Quote:...you all lost me here, i thought this was about the rosette page?
Now i read many pages about tents and poles and see images of nothing but tents... i am missing something somewhere
Quote:To be clear, I don't think there is a connection of the VMS to the Chinese calendar. Humboldt's observation is just based on the fact that 37 lunar cycles are almost exactly three years, which might explain the number of 37 moons (if they are indeed moons) in the rosette.
Searcher > 25-07-2016, 05:47 PM
(25-07-2016, 04:11 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Quote:To be clear, I don't think there is a connection of the VMS to the Chinese calendar. Humboldt's observation is just based on the fact that 37 lunar cycles are almost exactly three years, which might explain the number of 37 moons (if they are indeed moons) in the rosette.
I wander what's the origin of number 37 in the indians' calendar, to begin with. Why 37, but not 35 or 43?
And if these shapes are moons indeed, and, further, if their number is there to represent the cycle, and, furthermore, if the 37-moons cycle is met with nowhere but among the natives of Colombia, then the VMS becomes even more weird...
I would like to note that the two yellow shapes surrounding these 37 "crescents" are very much like the pattern in the centre of f67r1 which apparently depicts moon. This is an indirect confirmation that moon is indeed the concern here.
Next, the surrounding shape or background consisting of white and blue "petals" is in a certain degree similar to the one in f86v4 (although in the latter there is variation in the size of the "petals", and also some obsure persons are hidden in between). And f86v4 also has Moon in the centre!
Helmut Winkler > 25-07-2016, 05:56 PM
(25-07-2016, 11:18 AM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Manuscript You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (England, 2nd half of the 15th century) and its later copy You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. contain diagrams that seem to me to somehow resemble Rene's analysis of the Rosettes diagram. The center of this diagrams is a synthetic scheme of the sky (I cannot identify one of the three components, but the other two clearly are the Sun and the Moon). The seven planets and the four elements are represented around the central circle.