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• RE: More Germanic influences on the VM zodiac (another crossbow human Sagittarius)

  -JKP- > 08-02-2021, 04:57 PM

  I think it's undeniably related to ÖNB Cod. 1842 and perhaps also loosely related to Sieben Regimena (the background is different some parts are thematically similar):
  
     
  
  
  If you ignore the crossbow but retain the single-jug clothed Aquarius, and as many of the others as possible (especially the clothed and preferably male/female Gemini), it is also somewhat similar to a few more going back to the 13th century or so. Here is a 13c and 15c example (the main difference being the lack of a figure for Libra):
  
     
     

• RE: More Germanic influences on the VM zodiac (another crossbow human Sagittarius)

  Gioynich > 05-01-2025, 02:08 AM

  I don't remember seeing this one before?
  It's a Sagittarius from You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
  
  

• RE: More Germanic influences on the VM zodiac (another crossbow human Sagittarius)

  Gioynich > 05-01-2025, 02:47 AM

  I might be wrong, is this one also new?
  
  It's from You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
  
  
  
  

• RE: More Germanic influences on the VM zodiac (another crossbow human Sagittarius)

  ReneZ > 05-01-2025, 03:20 AM

  (05-01-2025, 02:47 AM)Gioynich Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I might be wrong, is this one also new?
  From You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
  
  

  
  I don't remember this particular one, but it is very similar to one from a 1429 MS shown both
  here: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
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• RE: More Germanic influences on the VM zodiac (another crossbow human Sagittarius)

  MarcoP > 05-01-2025, 09:27 AM

  (05-01-2025, 02:08 AM)Gioynich Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I don't remember seeing this one before?
  It's a Sagittarius from You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
  
  

  
  Thank you Gioynich, I added ONB Cod. 3072 to the google doc linked here: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
  Like a few other samples, it's from the Konstanz area. Interestingly, it adds a new pose to the collection.
  The one at post #13 (LJS 445) was already included.

• RE: More Germanic influences on the VM zodiac (another crossbow human Sagittarius)

  Koen G > 05-01-2025, 10:12 AM

  (05-01-2025, 02:08 AM)Gioynich Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I don't remember seeing this one before?
  It's a Sagittarius from You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..

  
  This one is very good. Probably the first Crossbowman Sagittarius I've seen that's not in the process of aiming or reloading. Just a casual stroll with the crossbow. The bull in that MS is also good. Genimi and Virgo though...
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