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  Rafal > 3 hours ago

  I found a charm in a German manuscript that may be relevant to the Voynich charm from the last page:
  
     
  
  I mean the word "ahia" from VM. Maybe it's not "ahia" after all? In my charm there is something looking a bit similar and also unsure. I marked it for you.
  
  The charm, according to Gemini AI, seems to say:
  
  So schrib diese wort vnd drag sie by dir
  Caput xpi [christi] + fons elye + orti ysaie + nasus moysi + libra noe + lingua salomonis + sanguis abel + mens benjamin + abra heliam + gracia iohannis + et pax xpi [christi] hodie et cottidie et semper mecũ [mecum] Amen
  
  
  So write these words and carry them with you:
  Head of Christ + fountain of Elijah + garden of Isaiah + nose of Moses + balance of Noah + tongue of Solomon + blood of Abel + mind of Benjamin + ??? + grace of John + and the peace of Christ today and daily and forever with me. Amen.
  
  "Abra heliam" doesn't really make sense. Also "abia" and "ahia" don't make sense.
  
  But what if the word is actually some corrupted form of "labia" which is mouth? That would make sense as the charm mentions other body parts. It would mean "mouth of someone".
  
  The man's name is also unsure. Heliam, Hesiam, Hesiim? The working candidates would be Isaiah, Elijah, Jesse and Elisha. However Isaiah and Elijah are already mentioned
  
  Can you read something with more certainty? 
  And could "ahia/abra" be labia, both in my example and Voynich Manuscript?

• RE: Possible related charm for f116v

  MarcoP > 1 hour ago

  I read "labia noe" "abra hesimi" - it's clearly an s, see semper
  
  abra of course suggests abracadabra, I don't know about the meaning

• RE: Possible related charm for f116v

  Koen G > 1 hour ago

  Could you link to the MS so we can see the original? 
  
  I'm not used to this particular kind of script and the resolution is bad, but I would read the Noe part as "labia". 
  
  So you have: fountain, garden, nose, lips, tongue, blood, mind, abra, grace, peace. Maybe "fons" was once "frons", forehead?
  
  Our missing word sits between mind and grace, so it may be an abstract noun. My first idea would be a misread "alma"? But that's pretty far off. The dictionary tells me "abra" can be a female servant, but I doubt that's relevant here.
  
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  Upon closer examination, this appears to be a version of the "Corpus Christi charm", which is mostly known from Irish sources.
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  Cod. S. Galli No. 1395. has it as "Caput Christi, oculus Isaiae, frons nassium Noe, labia lingua Salomonis, collum Temathei, mens Beniamin, pectus Pauli, iunctus Iohannis, fides Abrache Sanctus, sanctus, sanctus, Dominus Deus Sabaoth."
  
  This might offer an explanation for the "Abra" part, as having come from "Abracham" (?)
  
  Here is an open access article about it, apparently it is indeed about Abraham: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
  
  If the charm you found is unknown in the literature, some Irish scholars might be interested

• RE: Possible related charm for f116v

  Rafal > 1 hour ago

  Good spot about Abraham!
  I will post my source later today.

• RE: Possible related charm for f116v

  monisusa > 1 hour ago

  (3 hours ago)Rafal Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I found a charm in a German manuscript that may be relevant to the Voynich charm from the last page:
  
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  I mean the word "ahia" from VM. Maybe it's not "ahia" after all? In my charm there is something looking a bit similar and also unsure. I marked it for you.
  
  The charm, according to Gemini AI, seems to say:
  
  So schrib diese wort vnd drag sie by dir
  Caput xpi [christi] + fons elye + orti ysaie + nasus moysi + libra noe + lingua salomonis + sanguis abel + mens benjamin + abra heliam + gracia iohannis + et pax xpi [christi] hodie et cottidie et semper mecũ [mecum] Amen
  
  
  So write these words and carry them with you:
  Head of Christ + fountain of Elijah + garden of Isaiah + nose of Moses + balance of Noah + tongue of Solomon + blood of Abel + mind of Benjamin + ??? + grace of John + and the peace of Christ today and daily and forever with me. Amen.
  
  "Abra heliam" doesn't really make sense. Also "abia" and "ahia" don't make sense.
  
  But what if the word is actually some corrupted form of "labia" which is mouth? That would make sense as the charm mentions other body parts. It would mean "mouth of someone".
  
  The man's name is also unsure. Heliam, Hesiam, Hesiim? The working candidates would be Isaiah, Elijah, Jesse and Elisha. However Isaiah and Elijah are already mentioned
  
  Can you read something with more certainty? 
  And could "ahia/abra" be labia, both in my example and Voynich Manuscript?

  
  Hello,
  This has nothing to do with the text on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. which is a recipe. The German dialectal word "azia/atzia" means "let steep/let rest" and refers to the cooling time of the ointment. The second character is the gothic cursive "z" or "tz"  but NOT h or B! It makes no sense looking at single words but it is important to understand the complete context. I refer to my study on this page published on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. where the spelling and the text is explained and translated both in Standard German and in English.
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