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  JoJo_Jost > 5 hours ago

  I was looking for a pattern in the LAAFU effects. To do this, I arranged with an AI all the glyphs in a grid and removed the spaces without changing the order of the glyphs in a line. This produced some lovely images! 
  
  Letters were highlighted if they accounted for more than 40 per cent of the characters in a column.
  

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  JoJo_Jost > 5 hours ago

  and so on

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  JoJo_Jost > 5 hours ago

  and there are plenty more like them, but these effects do not appear in all folios.
  
  What do you think about that?

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  ololololo > 4 hours ago

  I don’t quite understand what this shows… What exactly is abnormal here?

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  DG97EEB > 3 hours ago

  Did you run a null with an English, Latin, German text?

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  oshfdk > 3 hours ago

  Most of the patterns seem easy to explain by the word structure of Voynichese. Suppose, there is a column that's by chance big on ch. It will be followed by a column big on o, since o very often follows ch. So, looks normal and expected, I guess.

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  ololololo > 2 hours ago

  (3 hours ago)oshfdk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Most of the patterns seem easy to explain by the word structure of Voynichese. Suppose, there is a column that's by chance big on ch. It will be followed by a column big on o, since o very often follows ch. So, looks normal and expected, I guess.

  Oh, well, that’s also possible. In that case, I don’t see anything abnormal.

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  nablator > 2 hours ago

  (3 hours ago)DG97EEB Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Did you run a null with an English, Latin, German text?

  
  A word-shuffled text (on each line or each page) would be more useful.

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  DG97EEB > 2 hours ago

  (2 hours ago)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (3 hours ago)DG97EEB Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Did you run a null with an English, Latin, German text?

  
  A word-shuffled text (on each line or each page) would be more useful.

  
  Indeed.

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  JoJo_Jost > 1 hour ago

  I compared it to a text in which I had distributed the Voynish glyphs at random.
  
  I measure exactly what is highlighted in the diagrams: grid columns, atoms, left-aligned, without spaces; a column is considered conspicuous if a glyph occupies ≥40 per cent of ≥4 cells.
  
     
  
  The mixed text has the same layout — the same number of pages, the same number of lines, the same line lengths, the same glyph frequencies. Only the order has been disrupted. It nevertheless produces 175 conspicuous columns; this is the baseline level produced by the frequency distribution alone. But the Voynich text has 497!
  
  So: the effect seen in the graphs is genuine. It is not what a randomly shuffled alphabet would produce on its own. At the start of a line, it is eleven times as strong as chance; in the rest of the line, it is a good twice as strong.
  
  Note: the figures were calculated using Claude Faible and I have cross-checked it using Chatgpt Sol
  
  (A Bavarian text adapted to the specifications yields 176 such columns (in a first quick test)).
  
  One reason is likely to be the highly structured slot structure of the VMS, which does not exist in any language in this form – but I cannot yet say whether that is the only reason.
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