davidjackson > Yesterday, 09:20 PM
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Quote:But while distinction of words was disregarded in early literary texts, distinction of important pauses in the sense was recognized from the first. The papyrus of the Persae of Timotheus of Miletus, the oldest MS. of a Greek classic in existence, of the end of the 4th century B.C., is written in independent paragraphs. This is a natural system, the simplicity of which has caused it to be the system of modern times. But, in addition, the Greek scribe also separated paragraphs by inserting a short horizontal stroke, παράγραφος, between them at the commencement of the lines of writing. It should be noted that this stroke indicated the close of a passage, and therefore belonged to the paragraph just concluded, and did not stand for an initial sign for the new paragraph which followed. The dividing stroke was also used to mark off the different speeches of a play. Besides the stroke, a wedge-shaped sign or tick might be used. But to make every paragraph stand distinctly by itself would have entailed a certain loss of space. If the concluding line were short, there would remain a long space unfilled. Therefore, when this occurred, it became customary to leave only a short space blank to mark the termination of the paragraph, and then to proceed with the new paragraph in the same line, the παράγραφος at the same time preventing possible ambiguity. The next step was to project the first letter of the first full line of the new paragraph slightly into the margin, as a still further distinction; and lastly to enlarge it. The enlargement of the letter gave it so much prominence that the dividing stroke could then be dispensed with, and in this form the new paragraph was henceforward indicated in Greek MSS., it being immaterial whether the enlarged letter was the initial or a medial letter of a word. As early as the 5th century there is evidence that the παράγραφος was losing its meaning with the scribes, for in the Codex Alexandrinus of the Bible it is not infrequently found in anomalous positions, particularly above the initial letters of different books, as if it were a mere ornament.
Encyclopedia Britannica - Manuscript entry
Quote:The paragraph mark, enlarged initial, and disposition of text on the page formed part of an integrated system for indicating textual articulation. Medieval scribes indicated divisions in a text by combining graphic devices such as enlarged initials, paragraph signs, and the arrangement of lines on the page. These visual cues enabled readers to recognise the structure of the text without relying solely on punctuation. Malcolm B. Parkes — Pause and Effect p.65
Quote:Colometry. A modification of the practice of writing the text continuously was allowed in the case of certain works. Rhetorical texts, such as the orations of Demosthenes and Cicero, and the text of the Bible, might be broken up into short clauses or sense-lines, apparently with the view of assisting reading aloud. Instances of MSS. so written are still extant. This system, to which the name of “colometry” has been given, is the arrangement by cola and commata referred to by St Jerome in his preface to Isaiah. It will be found more fully explained under the heading of Stichometry; where also is described the mechanical computation of the length of a text by measured lines, for the purpose or calculating the pay of the scribe. Encyclopedia Britannica - Manuscript entry
ololololo > Yesterday, 09:49 PM
(Yesterday, 09:20 PM)davidjackson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.using an enlarged "gallows" glyphWell, perhaps the role of the gallows is not limited to a paragraph. For example, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. begins with qocseedy. Gallows only appear in the next paragraph.
(Yesterday, 09:20 PM)davidjackson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Notably, it does not employ coloured initials or rubricated pilcrowsThey are there, but they are written in an "economical" style, i.e., the style of the entire manuscript:
(Yesterday, 09:20 PM)davidjackson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.In short, the layout and visual clues in the Voynich points to the authors being influenced more by working books than by library books.This is logical. They simply didn't need to try. And why would you decorate an encrypted book? It could provide a clue to an attacker or pose a challenge for the decrypter.
oshfdk > Yesterday, 10:02 PM
(Yesterday, 09:20 PM)davidjackson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.If we discard the idea that the Voynich was designed to be read aloud - clearly most of it was not
(Yesterday, 09:49 PM)ololololo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.They are there, but they are written in an "economical" style, i.e., the style of the entire manuscript:
ololololo > Yesterday, 10:12 PM
(Yesterday, 10:02 PM)oshfdk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.All these examples are page initial characters.Yes, just to point out that the initials are there
oshfdk > Yesterday, 10:50 PM
(Yesterday, 10:12 PM)ololololo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Yes, just to point out that the initials are there
(Yesterday, 10:12 PM)ololololo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The initials of paragraphs, and not just the first character of the page, appear several times in balneology. Mostly there "decorates" p.
davidjackson > Today, 08:35 AM
(Yesterday, 10:02 PM)oshfdk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(Yesterday, 09:20 PM)davidjackson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.If we discard the idea that the Voynich was designed to be read aloud - clearly most of it was not
Why not?
(Yesterday, 09:49 PM)ololololo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.They are there, but they are written in an "economical" style, i.e., the style of the entire manuscript:
All these examples are page initial characters.
ololololo > 11 hours ago
(Yesterday, 10:50 PM)oshfdk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I don't think page initials can be used as examples when talking about the styling of paragraphsMy examples do not apply to this, by any means. The practice of initials for VMS is not foreign.
Jorge_Stolfi > 9 hours ago
(Yesterday, 09:20 PM)davidjackson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The Voynich often signals a paragraph by:
- beginning on a fresh line,
- using an enlarged "gallows" glyph,
- leaving a visibly short final line in the previous paragraph without bothering about justification or waste of parchment.
davidjackson > 8 hours ago
Quote:I think the latter would make business sense for a pay-per-page hired copyst. (Is anyone old enough to have had a paper typed by a hired typist?) You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.