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• RE: Month names collection / metastudy

  Koen G > Yesterday, 04:28 PM

  I also fear we may have blind spots, but maybe not from lack of searching. Maybe it's the octembre effect? This particular lemma stands out so much and is incredibly easy to google/search, so we do find a lot of results in the regions that use "octembre" more often.

• RE: Month names collection / metastudy

  N._N. > Yesterday, 04:55 PM

  Mainly in reference to the remark about saint names for dating, but maybe also relevant to this project as a whole: There is a useful handbook on medieval and early modern calendar systems. While originally published in the late 19th century, there is an online version, unfortunately in German as the main language, but a lot of it is in Latin, French etc. anyway: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..

• RE: Month names collection / metastudy

  eggyk > Yesterday, 05:04 PM

  (Yesterday, 04:28 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I also fear we may have blind spots, but maybe not from lack of searching. Maybe it's the octembre effect? This particular lemma stands out so much and is incredibly easy to google/search, so we do find a lot of results in the regions that use "octembre" more often.

  
  I'm pretty sure its not an octembre effect, as the vast majority of entries weren't found based on octembre. Almost all entries so far have been from: 
  
  Gallica searches for "calendrier", "calendar", "livre d'heures", and "horae". 
  The JONAS variable "You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.".
  
  Neither of which should favour or not favour a specific variant of octobre. However, they do favour manuscripts and works designated or partly designated as french. They also tend exclude manuscripts that themselves are predominantly Latin but may contain notes or marginalia in the vernacular (especially the JONAS variable). Perhaps these potential SW France entries are not designated as either "french" or "oil-francais" and as such have been overlooked so far. 
  
  When I asked google AI (pinch of salt) why I may not have found many occitan manuscripts from that area, it did mention that due to multiple reasons official works in the SW were pushed to be done in Latin, instead of local vernacular. Latin manuscripts and specific Occitan searches might be promising search avenues.

• RE: Month names collection / metastudy

  Koen G > Yesterday, 06:30 PM

  Right, but the spreadsheet also includes entries found by earlier researcher, which also trend Northern French. And I know that there was quite some interest in Occitan month names in the past. In fact, my reason for making this thread initially had been that people said "northern French" and "Occitan" and even "German" with the same confidence, and I wanted to collect the actual evidence that had been presented up to that point, because I had no idea who was right.
  
  I suspect that people have, in fact, looked elsewhere, but that the encountered sequences have often not been worth mentioning. Go too far south and you get wildly different spellings. Move into Germanic areas and you lose the -re endings (and gain Mertz). 
  
  That said, I would not yet rule out French/MHG border areas like Alsace and Switzerland. The more south-eastern French dialects would certainly make for a neater connection to regions of interest for the VM.
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