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Proposed architecture of the Voynich system
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Proposed architecture of the Voynich system
Labyrinthinesecurity > 4 hours ago
The IVTFF cleanly separates captions (next to drawings) from the rest of the text.
I thought that captions could be semantic rich, and maybe different from the rest of the text from a grammar perspective?
Looks like they are.
Captions follow the following pattern, overwhelmingly: o-K-V-F (o + stop + vowel + final consonant), repeated 1-2 times. The ch/sh and e slots are used sparingly. What's more, captions dont carry the A/B distinction signal.
So... what if captions where surfacing semantically meaningful words, whereas words not containing o-V-K-F where just "elaboration"?
We would then have two channels in Voynich.
I ran some stats, and look at the results:
Semantic channel (o, a, t, k, p, f, d, l, r, n, m, y, s): stable across sections, preserved in captions, 73% of all glyphs
Elaboration channel (ch, sh, e, ee, q, i, ii, cXh): varies by line position, varies by A/B "language," largely absent from captions.
Semantic words have 29% redundancy => reasonable, close to natural language
Elaboration has only 3.2% redundancy => it's essentially memoryless. It barely depends on the previous elaboration. This is consistent with elaboration being either random padding, a simple positional marker, or an independent cipher layer.
Entropy Comparison
Each Voynich word carries approximately:- 7.73 bits of semantic core information (the message)
- 2.78 bits of elaboration information (position + dialect + some morphology)
- Total: 10.51 bits per token
The elaboration's 2.78 bits decompose further into:- PREFIX (~1.76 bits): primarily encodes line position (ch/sh at start, ∅ at end, q in middle)
- INFIX (~3.38 bits): encodes section dialect and some core-specific morphology
Let me make two conjectures:
1) the Voynich has two layers: a semantic core (73% of glyphs, 49% of vocabulary) and an elaboration layer (27% of glyphs, carrying almost no sequential information)
2) proposed word architecture: [ELAB_PREFIX] + [SEMANTICAL_PREFIX] + [SEMANTICAL_STEM] + [SEMANTICAL_SUFFIX] + [ELAB_INFIX] + ...
ch/sh/q o/a/∅ k/da/ka/... y/n/l/r/m/∅ ii/ee/e/i
Example decompositions:
Full word Elabprefix SemPrefix Stem SemSuffix Elabinfix
chol ch o — l —
okaiin — o ka — ii ...
daiin — ∅ da — ii ...
shedy sh ∅ — — e + (d=stem, y=suffix)
qokeedy q o k — ee ...
Thoughts? - 7.73 bits of semantic core information (the message)
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RE: Proposed architecture of the Voynich system
rikforto > 4 hours ago
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RE: Proposed architecture of the Voynich system
eggyk > 1 hour ago
(4 hours ago)Labyrinthinesecurity Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Elaboration channel (ch, sh, e, ee, q, i, ii, cXh): varies by line position, varies by A/B "language," largely absent from captions.
Unless I'm misunderstanding what constitutes a label, is this not simply untrue?
Here is f68r2 with those characters highlighted:
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RE: Proposed architecture of the Voynich system
Labyrinthinesecurity > 42 minutes ago
(1 hour ago)eggyk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(4 hours ago)Labyrinthinesecurity Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Elaboration channel (ch, sh, e, ee, q, i, ii, cXh): varies by line position, varies by A/B "language," largely absent from captions.
Unless I'm misunderstanding what constitutes a label, is this not simply untrue?
Here is f68r2 with those characters highlighted:
as I said: The ch/sh and e slots are used sparingly. ir doesnt mean never. this page is an (very interesting) exception. in all these words ch is an elaboration prefix if the word architecture is to be believed