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• RE: "Abnormal" words

  Jorge_Stolfi > Today, 05:36 AM

  (Today, 03:48 AM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I would have to consider them on a case by case basis.

  My main point is that you should expect a large number of errors in the transcription (any transcription).  
  
  I would guess at least one error every 10 lines.  Including substituted glyphs (especially a/o/y, r/s, k/t, Ih/Ch/ee, ..), skipped or extraneous glyphs, missing or bogus word spaces, weirdos...  
  
  Erros can be created by the Author when he wrote the draft, by the Scribe, by the worms, stains, and other accidents, by the restorers and retouchers, and by the transcribers...
  
  All the best, --stolfi

• RE: "Abnormal" words

  Mark Knowles > Today, 07:28 AM

  (Today, 05:36 AM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (Today, 03:48 AM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I would have to consider them on a case by case basis.

  My main point is that you should expect a large number of errors in the transcription (any transcription).  
  
  I would guess at least one error every 10 lines.  Including substituted glyphs (especially a/o/y, r/s, k/t, Ih/Ch/ee, ..), skipped or extraneous glyphs, missing or bogus word spaces, weirdos...  
  
  Erros can be created by the Author when he wrote the draft, by the Scribe, by the worms, stains, and other accidents, by the restorers and retouchers, and by the transcribers...
  
  All the best, --stolfi

  
  I feel it reasonable to view something as containing an error when there is evidence or a strong argument for it. However I would be very reluctant to consider all seemingly distinctive words to contain errors by virtue of the fact they are distinctive.
  
  I welcome all and every suggestion or criticism of any item on my list. As I said this is a first draft and so I expect to make changes to.it.

• RE: "Abnormal" words

  Mark Knowles > 10 hours ago

  Hi Stolfi,
  
  You say that "Another source of 'unusual spellings' may be the prefixes o and y that are sometimes attached to the word, sometimes separated by a space of variable width."
  
  That could possibly be the situation as to whether it can be contested that there is a space separating the prefix. However if there is no evidence of any such a space I think one must careful in assuming that there is. I have tried to pay attention to spacing when defining words, but given the variable spacing in the manuscript it is certainly the cases that my spacing interpretation may be contested in any specific given instance.

• RE: "Abnormal" words

  tavie > 9 hours ago

  (Today, 12:54 AM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.My reading is that the Scribe wrote the a slightly disconnected as two strokes ei (a glitch that he seems to have made dozens of times), and then the Retracer who restored the text turned that e into an i....
  
  ....  The first strange glyphs was originally a normal r (you can see bits of the faint original ink) but was mangled into that weirdo by a Retracer.
  
  ..And then you have the errors added by the Retracers who, not knowing the alphabet, often mangled the original faint glyphs as they retraced them.   Like that last example above.  (And this retracing is not just a fringe theory; you should take it as a fact, even if some desperately refuse to admit it...)

  
  To clarify for newcomers:  the existence of a Retracer or Retracers in the Voynich Manuscript is not a confirmed fact, and discussions about whether retracing has occurred should take place You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..

• RE: "Abnormal" words

  Rafal > 8 hours ago

  Good work!
  
  And if I could suggest something...
  
  Personally I believe in multi scribe hypothesis by Lisa Fagin Davies and others.
  It would be interesting to see these words assigned to each of the scribes identified by Lisa.
  
  My intuition tells me that if there were several scribes, they weren't "equal". Some were more experienced, some were less experienced. And there was probably some "leader" among them.
  
  I would also agree that some of "weird" words are probably scribal errors.
  
  So it would be interesting to see if all scribes generate the same number of weird words, relative to the amount of text they produce. The one who generates the least of them was probably the most experienced one.

• RE: "Abnormal" words

  Jorge_Stolfi > 6 hours ago

  (9 hours ago)tavie Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.To clarify for newcomers:  the existence of a Retracer or Retracers in the Voynich Manuscript is not a confirmed fact, and discussions about whether retracing has occurred should take place You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..

  
  Well noted, sorry.  
  
  But newcomers should also be warned that the opposite claim -- that every bit of ink we see on Voynichese text and figures was put down by the original Scribe in ~1430 -- is not a confirmed fact either.  Before they make this assumption and rely on it, they should check that thread.
  
  All the best, --stolfi
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