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[split] Retracer Thread: darker ink, retracing of text and drawings
- [split] Retracer Thread: darker ink, retracing of text and drawings
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RE: [split] Retracer Thread: darker ink, retracing of text and drawings
Rafal > Yesterday, 12:29 PM
Quote:I see nothing particularly unusual in these letters.
Are they just "d" to you?
Compare "d" in the top row. It's different. The bottom is round and closed and the top is wider. Here it looks like "e" with some minim. -
RE: [split] Retracer Thread: darker ink, retracing of text and drawings
oshfdk > Yesterday, 12:41 PM
(Yesterday, 12:29 PM)Rafal Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Quote:I see nothing particularly unusual in these letters.
Are they just "d" to you?
Compare "d" in the top row. It's different. The bottom is round and closed and the top is wider. Here it looks like "e" with some minim.
Yes, it is a different version of d-like character. It's not very unusual, though, I think there are hundreds of them in the MS.
PS. I can't tell if it's just "d", I have no idea what the underlying character set of the Voynich manuscript looks like, but it's almost certainly not the same as EVA. This would be an extremely lucky outcome. More likely some of different EVA characters are the same underlying symbol and some different underlying symbols map to the same EVA character point, but I have no idea which ones are these. -
RE: [split] Retracer Thread: darker ink, retracing of text and drawings
Jorge_Stolfi > Yesterday, 02:06 PM
(Yesterday, 11:21 AM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The question is why he never repaired the entire symbol, even though the rest is just as thin
Presumably the original traces that were retraced were much fainter than those that were left as such (namely the lower part of the left leg, and its upper tip).
Note that the o and (partially) the plume of the r had already been retraced by an earlier pass. You can see the original, fainter traces under the retracing ones.
Retracing a glyph had to be quite a bit slower than scribing it originally, and required constant concentration. The Retracer could not just let his hand do the job, as the original Scribe did; he had to look at the original trace and follow it as best as he could. Thus it makes sense that he would retrace only the parts of a glyph that really needed retracing.
All the best, --stolfi -
RE: [split] Retracer Thread: darker ink, retracing of text and drawings
Jorge_Stolfi > Yesterday, 02:17 PM
(Yesterday, 11:26 AM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Look closely. It's the same swing.
I can't be sure, but I think it is not the "same swing". I believe that the original plume of the n was traced in a continuous motion from the bottom of the i stroke, with lower pressure on the pen, going counterclockwise, and ending in a "mousetail" trace -- tapering gradually to a sharp point. Whereas, in the darker ink, the plume was traced clockwise in a separate stroke, causing it to be uniformly thick, with a butt (square) end at the top left. Which is in fact one of the signs of a retraced plume.
And the same goes for the plume on the Sh. That is not what a natural plume was supposed to look line.
All the best, --stolfi -
RE: [split] Retracer Thread: darker ink, retracing of text and drawings
Jorge_Stolfi > Yesterday, 02:39 PM
(Yesterday, 11:28 AM)oshfdk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I remember your post about the visual gag, if you are referring to the hole in the parchment and the hand of a nymph.
Yes. That gag was clearly visible in some B&W images of f72r1:
Namely, the arm of the nymph at 08:30, Miss oparalar, is drawn as if she was holding a star from f73r, while an extra arm was drawn on f72r1 to make it seem that the 09:00 nymph of f73r, Miss kar, was holding oparalar's star.
This gag is not visible in the BL scans, because the folios were lifted off the book when they were imaged.
Quote:In your scenario, was this gag copied from a draft too?
No. I believe that the only significant contents of the Zodiac pages are the text rings and the labels. And that is all that would have been on the draft. The Scribe provided everything else from his imagination - nymphs and stars, and their hairdos, hats, tails, barrels, etc. And that gag.
All the best, --stolfi -
RE: [split] Retracer Thread: darker ink, retracing of text and drawings
RenegadeHealer > Yesterday, 09:18 PM
(Yesterday, 02:39 PM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I believe that the only significant contents of the Zodiac pages are the text rings and the labels. And that is all that would have been on the draft. The Scribe provided everything else from his imagination - nymphs and stars, and their hairdos, hats, tails, barrels, etc. And that gag.
This is certainly consistent with the other preexisting defects in the vellum getting lampshaded by the graphics, and to a lesser extent, the text layout.