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• RE: The journey into an unknown world

  Stefan Wirtz_2 > 04-09-2025, 08:24 PM

  (erl.)

• RE: The journey into an unknown world

  dashstofsk > 04-09-2025, 09:08 PM

  Petrasti is copying from online sources. His paragraph about lenition that included the words
  
  an oíche
  an uisce
  ó Albain
  seanathair
  
  was just a direct copy from  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

• RE: The journey into an unknown world

  Petrasti > 04-09-2025, 10:05 PM

  Hi Tavi,
  I watched the video you recommended
  did you read my theory? It would be fantastic 
  
  I'd like to give some examples oft the colors blue and white because of repetition
  
  Page You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. line 6:
  choa kaiin dain = goa kam ban = blue striped white
  kam is from old Irish "cam" = twisted, bent, curved,crooced 
  goa and ban I explainted before
  
  f2v:
  first line: dain chor = ban gol = white flower
  line 5: kchor c+hy daiiin chcthoy = k gol gha baim gTgoa = the flower are also in blue
  
  f33v secound line:
  otal dain choy = o tar ban goa = strong white blue
  
  f47r: line 8
  tchod choy = t gob goa = blue berry
  
  f56r: line 8
  schol choy = gor goa = leaf blue

• RE: The journey into an unknown world

  Petrasti > 07-09-2025, 06:11 PM

  (04-09-2025, 09:08 PM)dashstofsk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Petrasti is copying from online sources. His paragraph about lenition that included the words
  
  an oíche
  an uisce
  ó Albain
  seanathair
  
  was just a direct copy from  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  
  hi dashstofsk, I've tried to combine an explanation of the pre-sound mutation in Voynich with the pre-sound mutation that still exists in Irish today. Unfortunately, I don't speak Gaelic and, (like almost everyone here) I'm using the World Wide Web for my research.

• RE: The journey into an unknown world

  dashstofsk > 08-09-2025, 09:17 AM

  (07-09-2025, 06:11 PM)Petrasti Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.pre-sound mutation in Voynich

  
  Are you sure that you can see 'pre-sound mutation' in the manuscript?
  
  I myself once had the same idea. I suspected, for instance, that words beginning  qo- were just words beginning  o- that required to be prefixed with  q to be made consistent with some grammatical rule for eclipsis or mutation. I spent some time generating affinities between characters and character pairs bridging adjacent words. Searched for occurences where the characters at the start of a word were dependent on the characters at the end of the preceeding word. But I eventually concluded that this was not happening. Concluded that there is nothing in the text of the manuscript that suggested any hint of similarity to Welsh mutation or Gaelic eclipsis and aspiration.

• RE: The journey into an unknown world

  Petrasti > 09-09-2025, 09:17 PM

  I'd like to give you a few examples, but for that we'll have to leave the EVA alphabet. If you consider EVA an unquestionable basis for translating the Voynich, then things will get difficult.
  
  Let's take the word "ban" dain for white
  we find in the manuscript ban as follow:
  
  oban odain                           
  aban ydain
  ghoban c+hodain
  goban chodain                
  kaban kadain
  aPoban apodain
  gban chdain
  qoban qodain
  Tban tdain 
  
  the word kam for jagged and serrated
  we find the word as:
  
  akam ykaiin
  kokam kokaiin
  gokam chokaiin
  okam okaiin
  hkam skaiin
  qokam qokaiin
  Tgkam tchkaiin
  orkam olkaiin
  rkam lkaiin
  ghakam c+hykaiin
  
  the word gob chod berry, we fill find as follow:
  
  chod and c+hod
  tgob tchod
  kgob kchod
  chkgob chkchod
  qokgob qokchod
  qotgob qotchod
  orgob olchod
  otgob otchod
  
  the same symstem takes place with gol for flower chor
  
  chor and c+hor
  tgol tchor 
  bgol dchor
  agol ychor
  ogol ochor
  qokgol qokchor
  pgol pchor 
  kgol kchor 
  otgol otchor 
  okgol okchor 
  hgol schor
  gogol chochor
  
  the word gor chol for leaf
  
  chol and c+hol
  agor ychol
  ogor ochol
  qogor qochol
  qokgor qokchol
  qotgor qotchol
  bgor dchol
  hgor schol
  kgor kchol
  tgor tchol
  pgor pchol
  otgor otchol
  
  I consider the letters k, p, t, f, b, g, a, o, qo, and h to be pre-sounds, as they can be consistently assigned to words as initial sounds.
  
  We also have a sound change: g ch and gh c+h. 
  Around 88% of the words that begin with gh c+h also begin with g ch
  
  Also the base words like e.g. gol chor that begin with g ch exist both with the gallow signs before the g and with the gallow sign integrated into the g (tch and cth). I haven't yet checked their frequency. but there seems to be a regularity
                

• RE: The journey into an unknown world

  ReneZ > 10-09-2025, 04:01 AM

  (09-09-2025, 09:17 PM)Petrasti Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.If you consider EVA an unquestionable basis for translating the Voynich, then things will get difficult.

  
  Just to clarify and avoid confusion, Eva is just a convention for representing the Voynich glyphs using single-case Latin characters. It does not mean that the Voynich glyphs represent these Latin characters.
  
  The same convention is used here by the forum software to show the Voynich glyphs using the eva font.
  
  By the way, I am curious how you figured out to represent the Sh character as you do it. I simply use "Sh"

• RE: The journey into an unknown world

  Petrasti > 10-09-2025, 07:44 PM

  (10-09-2025, 04:01 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (09-09-2025, 09:17 PM)Petrasti Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.If you consider EVA an unquestionable basis for translating the Voynich, then things will get difficult.

  
  Just to clarify and avoid confusion, Eva is just a convention for representing the Voynich glyphs using single-case Latin characters. It does not mean that the Voynich glyphs represent these Latin characters.
  
  The same convention is used here by the forum software to show the Voynich glyphs using the eva font.
  
  By the way, I am curious how you figured out to represent the Sh character as you do it. I simply use "Sh"

  
  I find the tilde symbol closer to the original.
  
  On my keyboard,(all in Eva Hand 1) I type the "c"  then press the key to the right of the Ctrl key, along with the asterisk/plus/tilde key next to Enter and later the "h"

• RE: The journey into an unknown world

  Petrasti > 10-09-2025, 08:56 PM

  I forgot one point about why I think we're dealing with a Celtic language. In the surviving Celtic languages, the "a" is pronounced in two ways. We find the same in the voynich manuscript
  a and y
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  I found a very nice website that explains Gaelic and its pronunciation. When you hear the Celtic language, it's pretty much as "crazy" as the Voynich. And you also understand why the Celtic languages is still not compatible with the Latin alphabet. Maybe this could explain the voynich alphabet, too.
  
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  if you hear the following sentence in gaelic "mura h-eil ise ga iarraidh, ithidh mise e" (Nr. 4)
  listen to the word "ighidh" (will eat) then look at page You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. first line, from the voynich manuskript
  you will find the word cthses (tgheh) both words sound very similar
  
  I would translate the first line as follow:
  fachar ykal ar ytaiin c+hol c+hor cthses y kor c+hordy 
  fagal from irish fag/fagann/fagail = to leave
  a kar = his root
  al atam = (still not solved)
  ghol ghor = leaf flower 
  tghih = eat
  a kol = his bud 
  ghorba = something like leafy from leaf
  
  If a "tam?"  of the leaves leaves its root, eat its leafy bud

• RE: The journey into an unknown world

  dashstofsk > 11-09-2025, 09:36 AM

  (10-09-2025, 08:56 PM)Petrasti Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.When you hear the Celtic language, it's pretty much as "crazy" as the Voynich. And you also understand why the Celtic languages is still not compatible with the Latin alphabet.

  
  Untrue. Many sounds in Gaelic are made up using combinations of letters, which initially might seem a bit odd to a newcomer. Also consecutive consonants sometimes require a hidden vowel to be sounded. For instance in the word 'gorm' you gave before the pronounciation is like 'gorem'. If you were to take the trouble to find out something of this language group then you would see that spelling and pronunciation are rather consistent.
  
  
  

  (10-09-2025, 08:56 PM)Petrasti Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.mura h-eil ise ga iarraidh, ithidh mise e

  
  The letter H in Gaelic is usually there to influence the sound of a consonant ( as is the case also in English with CH, SH, TH etc. ), sometimes also forcing the whole character pair to be silent. The word 'ithidh' you gave illustrates this nicely. The 'th' is pronounced something like H, 'dh' is silent.
  
  You cannot possibly have any serious reason to believe that 'ithidh' has any similarity with any word in the VMS.
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