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My Theory: RITE — Ritual Instrument of Textual Esoterica
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RE: My Theory: RITE — Ritual Instrument of Textual Esoterica
Philipp Harland > 18-11-2025, 09:50 AM
Is this not moveworthy? It seems Koen has noticed that this thread is about an AI slop theory and posted in it, but it hasn't been moved to GPTrash. Unless he just forgot. -
RE: My Theory: RITE — Ritual Instrument of Textual Esoterica
Koen G > 18-11-2025, 11:13 AM
Well, this one kind of evolved into a normal discussion, so no need to put it away. -
RE: My Theory: RITE — Ritual Instrument of Textual Esoterica
GrooveDuke > 18-11-2025, 02:50 PM
Thank You.
The NAME was AI generated. But it is my theory.
And I used AI to put it into words.
Then I found out it is basically the same theory as the speculative fraud hypothesis. So I haven't been posting much in here and mostly checking that thread out.
The only new post is really me question that still applies: Is there a pattern to be found in the usage and wear of the pages? which (to me) would imply its most common use as a reference either for legitimate purposes (if it truly has meaning encoded in it ins ome way) or for frudulent purposes if it is indeed a word produce just to LOOK like it meant something.
Again this presumes the late MEDIEVAL dates are CORRECT and it was a production of the early 15th century for an early 15th century audience. -
RE: My Theory: RITE — Ritual Instrument of Textual Esoterica
GrooveDuke > 18-11-2025, 03:01 PM
Also where it differs from the spec fraud hyp is in its end purpose. The spec fraud, I think proposes that kts main purpose was to sell the work outright to a gullable rich person. (I think) The subtle difference in my theory is that is was to be used as a "reference" to generate a continued revenue, which would follow more closely the pattern of medieval frauds in the form of fake relics and the like. promoting a tourist/pilgrim trade whereby they could sell souveniers etc. This is based on that but following a more modern practice of spiritualists. All of this to make themselves look legitimate. -
RE: My Theory: RITE — Ritual Instrument of Textual Esoterica
Rafal > 18-11-2025, 04:32 PM
Quote:would follow more closely the pattern of medieval frauds in the form of fake relics and the like. promoting a tourist/pilgrim trade whereby they could sell souveniers etc.
Would anybody really need to develop an unknown script to fool some country bumpkins who couldn't read and didn't know Latin?
Showing them a book in Latin would have exactly the same effect, They wouldn't even see any difference
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RE: My Theory: RITE — Ritual Instrument of Textual Esoterica
GrooveDuke > 18-11-2025, 06:11 PM
That's a fair point and has been raised before.
And the answer is: it would also need to fool any clergy or other scribes who weren't in on it and would recognize latin. You don't want some true believer debunking your claim before you even begin. Bumpkins weren't the only ones making pilgrimages. (If Chaucer is to be believed, anyway.)
But while I did compare the basic idea to a relic (which could fool anyone who was a believer in the basic premise given some sort of proof - And here I am well outside of my expertise: when did the Catholic church start sending out official researchers to verify miraculous claims. I know they do it now, but I am unsure of when the practice started)
Again, I am not convinced it encodes anything. Nor am I convinced it doesn't, because a recent article convinced me it was possible, Just as an earlier article convinced me it was absolutely produced in the early decades of the 1400s.
But I lean toward no meaning, because of the statistical papers regarding known languages.
And if it doesn't have any meaning, then why make it?
For fun? (Sounds fun)
For profit? (If it didn't cost anything to make because you were sneaking the supplies out it's all profit.)
For fun and profit? (Why not. The challenge of doing it undetected. and then selling it to a "friend of a friend" I know people right now who would do this)
If it was a one off, then why does it show such wear? (People trying to decode it?)
Is the wear in certain places? (Perhaps because the particular people using it thought they were close to a solution in those places?)
I am not married to this. I just think it could be debunked in a methodical way rather than dismissed because "no one would do that."
What would have to be true for this to hold water? Disprove that and it's disproven.
So far all I have are alternative explanations for some of the traits that made me think of it in the first place.