• Forcing two token vords near stems and leaves
  • Forcing two token vords near stems and leaves

    voynichrose > 23-06-2025, 07:34 AM

    Could small vord filler be a sign for meaningless text near plants?  Look at the center of f36r.  This text looks forced to me.  What kind of a test method could we come up with to find out if I'm right?
       
  • RE: Forcing two token vords near stems and leaves

    dashstofsk > 23-06-2025, 09:13 AM

    (23-06-2025, 07:34 AM)voynichrose Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.meaningless text near plants

    This has also been noted on a few other pages. For instance f26r. Were all those small words really necessary around the fork of the plant stems? It seems that the author was just blindly filling empty space with bogus words.
  • RE: Forcing two token vords near stems and leaves

    oshfdk > 23-06-2025, 10:31 AM

    (23-06-2025, 07:34 AM)voynichrose Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Could small vord filler be a sign for meaningless text near plants?  Look at the center of f36r.  This text looks forced to me.  What kind of a test method could we come up with to find out if I'm right?

    What makes it meaningless? Words can be seen split by the stem in other herbals too. 

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  • RE: Forcing two token vords near stems and leaves

    Rafal > 23-06-2025, 10:31 AM

    Yes, it is suspicious. When there is very little space like between the plant stems or leaves then there is always a short word which perfectly fits that space.
    See also for example f29v.
  • RE: Forcing two token vords near stems and leaves

    RobGea > 23-06-2025, 05:05 PM

    iirc,  MarcoP and EMS did something about glyphs and text intrusions.

    I made a quick pass (not thorough) of words that occur between text-intrusion markers ('<->')in EVA ZL3-n transliteration.
    Excluded are any texts from  Start-of-line (SOL) to marker  and text from  marker to End-of-line (EOL).
    As attachment.
    .txt   filer_words3_edit.txt (Size: 3.29 KB / Downloads: 3)

    I have not worked my way through this list entirely but some noteworthy things.
    <->sals<->    **all words between markers are single occurrences
    <->sky<->
    <->saro<->
    <->ydey<->
    <->ytorory<->
    <->chkeeod<->
    <->odaiil<->
    <->ykoda<->
    <->ykeeb<->
    <->chshy<->

    yk  --almost all are '.yk,' or 'yk['  and 1 standalone
    sy  --almost always at EOL or before a text intrusion
    olk  --rare
    dchd --rare

    I was thinking if they were filler words then those words may be only found between text intrusions but there are only a few of those.

    You could make a complete collection of these words find what word comes before or after and see if there is a difference between normal text and text-intrusion text.

    EVA-'sy' is quite interesting because  of where it occurs
    sy before markers  9
    sy between markers  5
    sy as eol    19
    sy in normal text  4