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An attempt at extracting grammar from vord order statistics.

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• RE: An attempt at extracting grammar from vord order statistics.

  oeesordy > Yesterday, 11:25 PM

  (10-06-2025, 11:28 AM)Rafal Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  Quote:You've lost me a bit. What is it that these numbers represent?

  
  Method that Davidd uses finds  groups of "similar" words, that behave in a similar way in the text. That is they are after some specific words or before some words etc. Analysis made on the Book of Genesis shows that this method to some extent actually works and gives meaningful results - found groups are actually made of nouns, verbs, conjunctions etc. So "Abraham" and "Noah" will fall into one group and "walk" and "go" into another group.
  
  Now, these groups are not perfect, sometimes (or maybe quite often) a verb may fall into "noun" group etc.
  We had a feeling that we need a measure how "good" these groups are and Davidd invented such a measure. Understanding how it exactly works would probably require a bit of an intelectual labour but I trust him that it is not bullsh!t  
  
  This measure also seems to work. It has high values for Genesis, like 300 for English version and 280 for Latin version. My intuition was it will be lower for Latin than English because of declension (see my earlier post) and it proved right. But it is not much lower, 280 vs 300.
  
  For totally random text (Genesis with scrambled words) this value is very low - 20. And for Voynich it is something in between - 100.
  
  So Voynich feels too regular (having patterns) for a random text and too random for a normal text.
  Curious, isn't it? 

  
  I hope someone can explain why this post did not make it one of their higher favorites as did for me.  
  
  This blows me away and why this post did not get more attention, I don't know why?  This is not subjective.  My guess is Davidd has been here a long time and his information is correct.  Now I'm not the smartest tool in the shed, but someone can make objective inferences from this.  Language at 280-300 seems to rate higher than random noise 20 and the Voynich with a 100 is just above random.  Does this imply that the Voynich is an attempt at language invention yet its own rules are not complete?  More languages need to be tested with this method in the European theater to see if they also rate much higher than the Voynich.
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