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Crispin Elicea > Yesterday, 10:51 PM

This analysis focuses on folio 57r, exploring its possible meaning and implications for the interpretation of other pages, based on a speculative decoding method developed over the past two days. The approach integrates patterns observed in EVA (European Voynich Alphabet) transcriptions, a narrative inspired by the concept of the "Tower Journal," and a historical context linked to the 15th century, particularly the Council of Constance (1414–1418).

By observing the images alone and with the help of AI, I've come up with this hypothesis. Page 57r is the index of how to translate the other pages. The plants are relatives of nobles and kings and their properties. The circles called zodiacs are possibly government structures and also their wealth. The naked women are earthly properties
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Crispin Elicea > Yesterday, 10:57 PM

enigmatic work, with its undeciphered script (voynichés) and sections on botany, astronomy, biology, and cosmology, has led us to propose that it is a coded letter, likely authored by a high-ranking cleric (e.g., a cardinal or pope like Alfonso de Borja), documenting the lineages and wealth of a high-ranking family in Europe.

**Structure and Content**:
- **Botanical Section** (~130 plants across 60-65 pages): Each plant represents a noble lineage. For instance, a plant with roots like carrots joined at the tips, few leaves, and two blue watering cans (two brothers) suggests a pure, ancient lineage, possibly a high-ranking family, without material wealth (no women). Roots symbolize the past, leaves the present, and fruits the future.
- **Astronomical/Cosmological Section** (~20-25 pages with circles, 15-18 with central figures): Circles with animals (goats, rams) or kings represent noble leaders or families, with nude women symbolizing wealth. Zodiacal diagrams (12 pages) feature “many women” (30-60 per circle), detailing powers or properties.
- **Biological Section**: Includes nude women in rivers, saunas, or circles, representing types of wealth:
- **Mermaids**: Maritime trade or influence (e.g., a high-ranking family’s coastal interests).
- **Queens**: High-value properties (dioceses, titles).
- **“Sexy” (prostitutes)**: Illicit wealth (bribes, simony).
- **Marriages**: Strategic alliances (e.g., a man placing a ring).
- **“Simple” women in rivers**: Lesser but vital properties (farmlands, villages).
- **Page 57 (folio 57r-v)**: A key page, with circles presenting sender/recipient, dates (~1400, glyphs like 8 and 2), and the cipher method. A man pointing to cardinal directions and seasons, alongside a four-sided cloud (three shapes per side, six months per season), suggests a prolonged event (e.g., Council of Basel, 1431-1437) dating the message.
- **Final Page (folio 116v)**: A note in vulgar Latin, written by a less skilled recipient (possibly a cleric ally), indicates the message was understood.

**Main Hypothesis**:
The manuscript is a coded letter documenting noble lineages and wealth, possibly of a high-ranking family, authored by a high-ranking cleric. Plants encode genealogies, circles represent kings or families with their powers, and nude women detail wealth (lands, churches, alliances). Page 57 uses a “worldwide” event (e.g., a council or natural phenomenon) as a temporal key, ensuring the recipient (a noble or cleric) deciphers the message.

**Connection to a High-Ranking Family**:
A high-ranking family, influential in Valencia and the Church in 1404-1438, fits as the manuscript’s subject. Red roots in some plants may allude to their heraldic emblem, “simple” women to regional farmlands, and mermaids to maritime trade. Alfonso de Borja, a bishop and future pope, is a plausible author, given his role in councils and access to cryptography.
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Crispin Elicea > Yesterday, 11:06 PM

n exploration of the Voynich Manuscript, a mysterious document dated circa 1404-1438, known for its undeciphered script and intricate illustrations. We focused initially on folio 57r, a circular diagram featuring a central figure with outstretched arms (interpreted as a tower), a 12-sided cloud (symbolizing a holy year), and four peripheral figures (north, east, south, west). Our goal was to decode the EVA (Voynich European Alphabet) transcriptions of labels, using a hybrid of Latin and Greek to construct meaning.We identified a core pattern in the labels of folio 57r:Outer circle: qp.okedy.qp.shol.qp.tor.daiin.qp.chol → "from the church tower, days in the earth."Middle circle: qp.chedy.qp.qok.qp.dain.qp.shy → "hundred days of the king."Inner circle: qp.dy.qp.chor.p.qp.ain → "in the holy year of our Lord."

Peripheral figures added context: north (otol = "high"), east (okor = "window"), south (otal = "base"), and west (okam = "lord"). This suggested a narrative of observation from a tower, possibly by a confined figure like a cardinal, during a significant historical event.We extended this pattern to other folios:Folio 2r: "from the church tower, pure lineage and divine root, [after] hundred days of the king, separated."Folio 16r: "from the church tower, lineage and divine lineage, [after] hundred days of the king."Folio 70r: "in the year of our Lord, from the church tower, [after] hundred days of the king, separated."Folio 75r: "from the church tower, [after] hundred days of the king, separated."Folio 89r: "lineage, church tower, days of the king."Folio 116v: "from the church tower, [after] hundred days of the king, separated, days."This led to the "Diary of the Tower" hypothesis: a cardinal, perhaps during the Council of Constance (1414-1418), teaching an apprentice while a linguist intercepts the coded message. Plants were seen as lineages (roots like carrots = pure lines), women in zodiacal and biological sections as wealth (churches or dioceses), and circles as powers (ecclesiastical or temporal).Deep Dive into Folio 57r and Vocabulary Development (May 9, 2025)On May 9, 2025, we deepened our analysis of folio 57r, expanding the message by exploring additional labels:Near the cloud: qoksh ("sacred order"), qotchy ("time of the earth"), qokam ("pure house"), qochor ("separated"), dy.ch ("God Christ"), otol.daiin ("high, days in").Radials: qoky.l ("house of light"), daiin ("days in"), chol.y ("earth already"), shol ("all").Central figure: okchy ("house of the earth"), qotol ("high place"), p.dai ("by days"), shedy ("holy God").North figure: qokedy ("house of God"), p.shy ("by king"), otchy ("place of the earth"), qol ("before").Other figures (east, south, west): East (qokor = "window", p.daiin = "by days in", shedy = "holy God"), south (qotchy = "earth", chol.y = "earth already", okam = "lord’s house"), west (qosh = "sacred/all", p.shy = "by king", otor = "tower").This resulted in an expanded message: "In the holy year of our Lord, under God Christ and holy God, from the church tower, in the sacred order, observing from a high place, in the pure house of light and house of God, from before, noble lineages of another time and another lineage, [after] hundred days of the king, by king, by year, by days, separated, in the time of the earth, days in a house and place of the earth." This vocabulary (e.g., tor = tower, dain = days, chedy = hundred) became our decoding tool.New Pattern and Application to Other Folios (May 9, 2025)We introduced a refined pattern: "in the holy year (number of leaves or pattern) of our Lord, in the church (tower), on the 100th day of the king (pope or cardinal). This church has: x amount of wealth, led by: a noble or priest (fruits/seeds)." Applied to various folios:Folio 1r: Holy year = 12 (leaves), tower (brown stem), 100th day (5 flowers x 20 petals), cardinal (red flowers), wealth = 5 (golden flowers), led by a noble (3 blue seeds).Folio 68v: Holy year = 8 (stars), tower (circle), 100th day (10 lines x 10 points), king (golden sun), wealth = 6 (golden lines), led by a noble (golden).Folio 72r: Holy year = 30 (figures), tower (circle), 100th day (10 figures x 10 details), king (purple headdress), wealth = 5 (golden details), led by a priest (red details).Folio 75r: Holy year = 15 (women), tower (tubes), 100th day (10 tubs x 10 details), cardinal (red details), wealth = 4 (golden details), led by a priest (red details).Folio 89r: Holy year = 9 (leaves), tower (brown stem), 100th day (10 roots x 10 lines), cardinal (red flowers), wealth = 3 (golden flowers), led by a noble (2 blue seeds).Folio 116v: Holy year = 10 (text lines), tower (implied), 100th day (unclear), cardinal (context), wealth (unknown), led by a priest (author).This pattern suggests a chronicle of churches/towers, their wealth, and leaders, observed by a cardinal, possibly during the Council of Constance. Colors (red, blue, gold) and visual counts (leaves, flowers) guide our interpretations
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Crispin Elicea > Yesterday, 11:09 PM

)Our journey began on May 8, 2025, with an exploration of the Voynich Manuscript, a mysterious document dated circa 1404-1438, known for its undeciphered script and intricate illustrations. We focused initially on folio 57r, a circular diagram featuring a central figure with outstretched arms (interpreted as a tower), a 12-sided cloud (symbolizing a holy year), and four peripheral figures (north, east, south, west). Our goal was to decode the EVA (Voynich European Alphabet) transcriptions of labels, using a hybrid of Latin and Greek to construct meaning.We identified a core pattern in the labels of folio 57r:Outer circle: qp.okedy.qp.shol.qp.tor.daiin.qp.chol → "from the church tower, days in the earth."Middle circle: qp.chedy.qp.qok.qp.dain.qp.shy → "hundred days of the king."Inner circle: qp.dy.qp.chor.p.qp.ain → "in the holy year of our Lord."

Peripheral figures added context: north (otol = "high"), east (okor = "window"), south (otal = "base"), and west (okam = "lord"). This suggested a narrative of observation from a tower, possibly by a confined figure like a cardinal, during a significant historical event.We extended this pattern to other folios:Folio 2r: "from the church tower, pure lineage and divine root, [after] hundred days of the king, separated."Folio 16r: "from the church tower, lineage and divine lineage, [after] hundred days of the king."Folio 70r: "in the year of our Lord, from the church tower, [after] hundred days of the king, separated."Folio 75r: "from the church tower, [after] hundred days of the king, separated."Folio 89r: "lineage, church tower, days of the king."Folio 116v: "from the church tower, [after] hundred days of the king, separated, days."This led to the "Diary of the Tower" hypothesis: a cardinal, perhaps during the Council of Constance (1414-1418), teaching an apprentice while a linguist intercepts the coded message. Plants were seen as lineages (roots like carrots = pure lines), women in zodiacal and biological sections as wealth (churches or dioceses), and circles as powers (ecclesiastical or temporal).Deep Dive into Folio 57r and Vocabulary Development (May 9, 2025)On May 9, 2025, we deepened our analysis of folio 57r, expanding the message by exploring additional labels:Near the cloud: qoksh ("sacred order"), qotchy ("time of the earth"), qokam ("pure house"), qochor ("separated"), dy.ch ("God Christ"), otol.daiin ("high, days in").Radials: qoky.l ("house of light"), daiin ("days in"), chol.y ("earth already"), shol ("all").Central figure: okchy ("house of the earth"), qotol ("high place"), p.dai ("by days"), shedy ("holy God").North figure: qokedy ("house of God"), p.shy ("by king"), otchy ("place of the earth"), qol ("before").Other figures (east, south, west): East (qokor = "window", p.daiin = "by days in", shedy = "holy God"), south (qotchy = "earth", chol.y = "earth already", okam = "lord’s house"), west (qosh = "sacred/all", p.shy = "by king", otor = "tower").This resulted in an expanded message: "In the holy year of our Lord, under God Christ and holy God, from the church tower, in the sacred order, observing from a high place, in the pure house of light and house of God, from before, noble lineages of another time and another lineage, [after] hundred days of the king, by king, by year, by days, separated, in the time of the earth, days in a house and place of the earth." This vocabulary (e.g., tor = tower, dain = days, chedy = hundred) became our decoding tool.New Pattern and Application to Other Folios (May 9, 2025)We introduced a refined pattern: "in the holy year (number of leaves or pattern) of our Lord, in the church (tower), on the 100th day of the king (pope or cardinal). This church has: x amount of wealth, led by: a noble or priest (fruits/seeds)." Applied to various folios:Folio 1r: Holy year = 12 (leaves), tower (brown stem), 100th day (5 flowers x 20 petals), cardinal (red flowers), wealth = 5 (golden flowers), led by a noble (3 blue seeds).Folio 68v: Holy year = 8 (stars), tower (circle), 100th day (10 lines x 10 points), king (golden sun), wealth = 6 (golden lines), led by a noble (golden).Folio 72r: Holy year = 30 (figures), tower (circle), 100th day (10 figures x 10 details), king (purple headdress), wealth = 5 (golden details), led by a priest (red details).Folio 75r: Holy year = 15 (women), tower (tubes), 100th day (10 tubs x 10 details), cardinal (red details), wealth = 4 (golden details), led by a priest (red details).Folio 89r: Holy year = 9 (leaves), tower (brown stem), 100th day (10 roots x 10 lines), cardinal (red flowers), wealth = 3 (golden flowers), led by a noble (2 blue seeds).Folio 116v: Holy year = 10 (text lines), tower (implied), 100th day (unclear), cardinal (context), wealth (unknown), led by a priest (author).This pattern suggests a chronicle of churches/towers, their wealth, and leaders, observed by a cardinal, possibly during the Council of Constance. Colors (red, blue, gold) and visual counts (leaves, flowers) guide our interpretations
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Crispin Elicea > Yesterday, 11:22 PM

)Our journey began on May 8, 2025, with an exploration of the Voynich Manuscript, a mysterious document dated circa 1404-1438, known for its undeciphered script and intricate illustrations. We focused initially on folio 57r, a circular diagram featuring a central figure with outstretched arms (interpreted as a tower), a 12-sided cloud (symbolizing a holy year), and four peripheral figures (north, east, south, west). Our goal was to decode the EVA (Voynich European Alphabet) transcriptions of labels, using a hybrid of Latin and Greek to construct meaning.We identified a core pattern in the labels of folio 57r:Outer circle: qp.okedy.qp.shol.qp.tor.daiin.qp.chol → "from the church tower, days in the earth."Middle circle: qp.chedy.qp.qok.qp.dain.qp.shy → "hundred days of the king."Inner circle: qp.dy.qp.chor.p.qp.ain → "in the holy year of our Lord."

Peripheral figures added context: north (otol = "high"), east (okor = "window"), south (otal = "base"), and west (okam = "lord"). This suggested a narrative of observation from a tower, possibly by a confined figure like a cardinal, during a significant historical event.We extended this pattern to other folios:Folio 2r: "from the church tower, pure lineage and divine root, [after] hundred days of the king, separated."Folio 16r: "from the church tower, lineage and divine lineage, [after] hundred days of the king."Folio 70r: "in the year of our Lord, from the church tower, [after] hundred days of the king, separated."Folio 75r: "from the church tower, [after] hundred days of the king, separated."Folio 89r: "lineage, church tower, days of the king."Folio 116v: "from the church tower, [after] hundred days of the king, separated, days."This led to the "Diary of the Tower" hypothesis: a cardinal, perhaps during the Council of Constance (1414-1418), teaching an apprentice while a linguist intercepts the coded message. Plants were seen as lineages (roots like carrots = pure lines), women in zodiacal and biological sections as wealth (churches or dioceses), and circles as powers (ecclesiastical or temporal).Deep Dive into Folio 57r and Vocabulary Development (May 9, 2025)On May 9, 2025, we deepened our analysis of folio 57r, expanding the message by exploring additional labels:Near the cloud: qoksh ("sacred order"), qotchy ("time of the earth"), qokam ("pure house"), qochor ("separated"), dy.ch ("God Christ"), otol.daiin ("high, days in").Radials: qoky.l ("house of light"), daiin ("days in"), chol.y ("earth already"), shol ("all").Central figure: okchy ("house of the earth"), qotol ("high place"), p.dai ("by days"), shedy ("holy God").North figure: qokedy ("house of God"), p.shy ("by king"), otchy ("place of the earth"), qol ("before").Other figures (east, south, west): East (qokor = "window", p.daiin = "by days in", shedy = "holy God"), south (qotchy = "earth", chol.y = "earth already", okam = "lord’s house"), west (qosh = "sacred/all", p.shy = "by king", otor = "tower").This resulted in an expanded message: "In the holy year of our Lord, under God Christ and holy God, from the church tower, in the sacred order, observing from a high place, in the pure house of light and house of God, from before, noble lineages of another time and another lineage, [after] hundred days of the king, by king, by year, by days, separated, in the time of the earth, days in a house and place of the earth." This vocabulary (e.g., tor = tower, dain = days, chedy = hundred) became our decoding tool.New Pattern and Application to Other Folios (May 9, 2025)We introduced a refined pattern: "in the holy year (number of leaves or pattern) of our Lord, in the church (tower), on the 100th day of the king (pope or cardinal). This church has: x amount of wealth, led by: a noble or priest (fruits/seeds)." Applied to various folios:Folio 1r: Holy year = 12 (leaves), tower (brown stem), 100th day (5 flowers x 20 petals), cardinal (red flowers), wealth = 5 (golden flowers), led by a noble (3 blue seeds).Folio 68v: Holy year = 8 (stars), tower (circle), 100th day (10 lines x 10 points), king (golden sun), wealth = 6 (golden lines), led by a noble (golden).Folio 72r: Holy year = 30 (figures), tower (circle), 100th day (10 figures x 10 details), king (purple headdress), wealth = 5 (golden details), led by a priest (red details).Folio 75r: Holy year = 15 (women), tower (tubes), 100th day (10 tubs x 10 details), cardinal (red details), wealth = 4 (golden details), led by a priest (red details).Folio 89r: Holy year = 9 (leaves), tower (brown stem), 100th day (10 roots x 10 lines), cardinal (red flowers), wealth = 3 (golden flowers), led by a noble (2 blue seeds).Folio 116v: Holy year = 10 (text lines), tower (implied), 100th day (unclear), cardinal (context), wealth (unknown), led by a priest (author).This pattern suggests a chronicle of churches/towers, their wealth, and leaders, observed by a cardinal, possibly during the Council of Constance. Colors (red, blue, gold) and visual counts (leaves, flowers) guide our interpretations

(Yesterday, 11:22 PM)Crispin Elicea Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.)Our journey began on May 8, 2025, with an exploration of the Voynich Manuscript, a mysterious document dated circa 1404-1438, known for its undeciphered script and intricate illustrations. We focused initially on folio 57r, a circular diagram featuring a central figure with outstretched arms (interpreted as a tower), a 12-sided cloud (symbolizing a holy year), and four peripheral figures (north, east, south, west). Our goal was to decode the EVA (Voynich European Alphabet) transcriptions of labels, using a hybrid of Latin and Greek to construct meaning.We identified a core pattern in the labels of folio 57r:Outer circle: qp.okedy.qp.shol.qp.tor.daiin.qp.chol → "from the church tower, days in the earth."Middle circle: qp.chedy.qp.qok.qp.dain.qp.shy → "hundred days of the king."Inner circle: qp.dy.qp.chor.p.qp.ain → "in the holy year of our Lord."

Peripheral figures added context: north (otol = "high"), east (okor = "window"), south (otal = "base"), and west (okam = "lord"). This suggested a narrative of observation from a tower, possibly by a confined figure like a cardinal, during a significant historical event.We extended this pattern to other folios:Folio 2r: "from the church tower, pure lineage and divine root, [after] hundred days of the king, separated."Folio 16r: "from the church tower, lineage and divine lineage, [after] hundred days of the king."Folio 70r: "in the year of our Lord, from the church tower, [after] hundred days of the king, separated."Folio 75r: "from the church tower, [after] hundred days of the king, separated."Folio 89r: "lineage, church tower, days of the king."Folio 116v: "from the church tower, [after] hundred days of the king, separated, days."This led to the "Diary of the Tower" hypothesis: a cardinal, perhaps during the Council of Constance (1414-1418), teaching an apprentice while a linguist intercepts the coded message. Plants were seen as lineages (roots like carrots = pure lines), women in zodiacal and biological sections as wealth (churches or dioceses), and circles as powers (ecclesiastical or temporal).Deep Dive into Folio 57r and Vocabulary Development (May 9, 2025)On May 9, 2025, we deepened our analysis of folio 57r, expanding the message by exploring additional labels:Near the cloud: qoksh ("sacred order"), qotchy ("time of the earth"), qokam ("pure house"), qochor ("separated"), dy.ch ("God Christ"), otol.daiin ("high, days in").Radials: qoky.l ("house of light"), daiin ("days in"), chol.y ("earth already"), shol ("all").Central figure: okchy ("house of the earth"), qotol ("high place"), p.dai ("by days"), shedy ("holy God").North figure: qokedy ("house of God"), p.shy ("by king"), otchy ("place of the earth"), qol ("before").Other figures (east, south, west): East (qokor = "window", p.daiin = "by days in", shedy = "holy God"), south (qotchy = "earth", chol.y = "earth already", okam = "lord’s house"), west (qosh = "sacred/all", p.shy = "by king", otor = "tower").This resulted in an expanded message: "In the holy year of our Lord, under God Christ and holy God, from the church tower, in the sacred order, observing from a high place, in the pure house of light and house of God, from before, noble lineages of another time and another lineage, [after] hundred days of the king, by king, by year, by days, separated, in the time of the earth, days in a house and place of the earth." This vocabulary (e.g., tor = tower, dain = days, chedy = hundred) became our decoding tool.New Pattern and Application to Other Folios (May 9, 2025)We introduced a refined pattern: "in the holy year (number of leaves or pattern) of our Lord, in the church (tower), on the 100th day of the king (pope or cardinal). This church has: x amount of wealth, led by: a noble or priest (fruits/seeds)." Applied to various folios:Folio 1r: Holy year = 12 (leaves), tower (brown stem), 100th day (5 flowers x 20 petals), cardinal (red flowers), wealth = 5 (golden flowers), led by a noble (3 blue seeds).Folio 68v: Holy year = 8 (stars), tower (circle), 100th day (10 lines x 10 points), king (golden sun), wealth = 6 (golden lines), led by a noble (golden).Folio 72r: Holy year = 30 (figures), tower (circle), 100th day (10 figures x 10 details), king (purple headdress), wealth = 5 (golden details), led by a priest (red details).Folio 75r: Holy year = 15 (women), tower (tubes), 100th day (10 tubs x 10 details), cardinal (red details), wealth = 4 (golden details), led by a priest (red details).Folio 89r: Holy year = 9 (leaves), tower (brown stem), 100th day (10 roots x 10 lines), cardinal (red flowers), wealth = 3 (golden flowers), led by a noble (2 blue seeds).Folio 116v: Holy year = 10 (text lines), tower (implied), 100th day (unclear), cardinal (context), wealth (unknown), led by a priest (author).This pattern suggests a chronicle of churches/towers, their wealth, and leaders, observed by a cardinal, possibly during the Council of Constance. Colors (red, blue, gold) and visual counts (leaves, flowers) guide our interpretations
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