Emma May Smith > 11-03-2016, 12:56 PM
(11-03-2016, 03:17 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The biggest 'problem' with the Voynich alphabet, in my opinion, is the funny behaviour of Eva 'ch', I could imagine many things, for example in case the text is a phonetic rendition of some language foreign to the author/scribe:
Eva-'ch' could just be aspiration, like the 'h' in English. 'ch' and 'sh' could be different types (real or perceived) like the two different sipritus symbols in Greek.
ckh and cth could be aspirated versions of unaspirated consonants k and t. (all Eva)
ReneZ > 11-03-2016, 02:01 PM
(11-03-2016, 10:00 AM)Sam Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Speaking of that, do you know whatever happened to Jacques Guy?At some point he stopped contributing to the old mailing list and I did not hear from him since.
crezac > 12-03-2016, 04:04 PM
(10-03-2016, 11:08 PM)Sam G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Everything I see points to alphabet (i.e. 1 glyph = 1 segmental phoneme, basically)
The only other possibility is that glyphs represent sub-alphabetic units
- Number of glyphs matches alphabets
- Apparent pronounceability and consonant/vowel alternation when viewed as alphabetic
- Apparent derivation from Roman alphabet and Latin abbreviation means the script creator was familiar with alphabetic writing
- Structure and symmetry of the glyph set is similar to what is seen in phoneme inventories of natural languages
- Word length
R. Sale > 14-03-2016, 10:20 PM
Torsten > 14-03-2016, 10:44 PM
Davidsch > 15-03-2016, 02:45 PM
Koen G > 15-03-2016, 03:44 PM
Davidsch > 15-03-2016, 07:20 PM
Quote:Edit: by the way, I remember Diane wrote about papal correspondence on her blog, did you check there already?
-JKP- > 15-03-2016, 07:41 PM
(15-03-2016, 02:45 PM)Davidsch Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view......
What you also see there that 1 letter can be represented differently not only at beginning-middle-end but also also in relation to other letters.
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Davidsch > 16-03-2016, 01:01 AM
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Word position could determine coding. If it person enciphering it used charts only about a dozen plus a few extra charts would be needed to encode each word differently, which is less than some of the unwieldy chart systems that were invented in the 16th and 17th centuries. If more variety were desired, a marker at the beginning of each paragraph could indicate a shift or starting point within the same system.
One of the consequences of this kind of encipherment scheme is that words with identical letters next to each other would be different words. There would also be more subtle pattern variations between the beginnings and ends of lines (which is something that does occur in the VMS).