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• RE: Grammatical Gender

  Ruby Novacna > 23-04-2025, 09:52 AM

  (23-04-2025, 02:09 AM)Dobri Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.For example, in the Greek language, there are three genders: masculine (αρσενικό), feminine (θηλυκό), and neuter (ουδέτερο).
  ...
  The question is whether prefixes and suffixes in the cipher manuscript change according to a grammatical gender ...

  
  Thank you for your explanations. However, I wonder why gender interests you in the first place. Do you already know how to distinguish between verbs, nouns, adjectives, articles, etc.?
  
  P.S. Why would the article, if it exists, be a prefix?

• RE: Grammatical Gender

  Dobri > 24-04-2025, 01:21 PM

  (23-04-2025, 09:52 AM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Thank you for your explanations. However, I wonder why gender interests you in the first place. Do you already know how to distinguish between verbs, nouns, adjectives, articles, etc.?
  
  P.S. Why would the article, if it exists, be a prefix?

  Guessing the grammatical gender (if any) could possibly assist in distinguishing between verbs, nouns, adjectives and articles even if their meaning remains unknown.
  An article does not necessarily have to be a prefix indeed.
  
  Just as an illustration, let's consider the grammatical gender in Greek.
  The definite articles in Greek are: ο (masculine), η (feminine), and το (neuter).
  Also, Greek nouns have masculine, feminine, and neuter suffix endings.
  
  In the cypher manuscript, "ο" is the most frequently used symbol. 
  If a partial Romanization of Greek (medieval Greeklish) takes place, then o as a prefix could be the masculine definite article.
  In the Greek numeral system, η (eta) represents the number 8, so d as a prefix could be the feminine definite article.
  Also, for το (neuter),  the ligature qo as a prefix could be the neuter definite article.

• RE: Grammatical Gender

  Ruby Novacna > 24-04-2025, 01:45 PM

  Dobri, in my opinion it would be clearer if you gave examples from the text.

• RE: Grammatical Gender

  Dobri > 24-04-2025, 02:09 PM

  (24-04-2025, 01:45 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Dobri, in my opinion it would be clearer if you gave examples from the text.

  Let's have as an illustration the very first paragraph where qo (with a macron) is introduced for the first time in the cipher manuscript as shown in the attached image.

• RE: Grammatical Gender

  Ruby Novacna > 24-04-2025, 02:28 PM

  Dobri, personally, I saw the examples differently: rather, words from the text with the "article" and the ending confirming the word's gender, while specifying the declension case.
  
  P.S. You don't have to use images; use a transcription that would also give you the number of occurrences of the analyzed words.

• RE: Grammatical Gender

  Dobri > 24-04-2025, 04:42 PM

  (24-04-2025, 02:28 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....
  P.S. You don't have to use images; use a transcription that would also give you the number of occurrences of the analyzed words.

  I prefer the v101 alphabet to count occurrences.

• RE: Grammatical Gender

  Ruby Novacna > 24-04-2025, 06:44 PM

  (24-04-2025, 04:42 PM)Dobri Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 
  I prefer the v101 alphabet to count occurrences.

  
  There is no transcription made with v101?

• RE: Grammatical Gender

  ReneZ > 24-04-2025, 06:48 PM

  (24-04-2025, 06:44 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.There is no transcription made with v101?

  
  Yes there is, and all the other ones can be converted to v101 reasonably easily.

• RE: Grammatical Gender

  Dobri > 26-04-2025, 09:59 AM

  (04-04-2025, 12:15 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.One fun way to think about Voynichese is this: if you remove everything that looks like common grammatical endings, affixes... then what is left? Where are the variable roots of Voynichese words?

  What if several consecutive vords stripped from some common prefixes/suffixes form an actual word?

• RE: Grammatical Gender

  Koen G > 26-04-2025, 10:35 AM

  (26-04-2025, 09:59 AM)Dobri Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.What if several consecutive vords stripped from some common prefixes/suffixes form an actual word?

  
  That's kind of my point: if you trim off the "fat" of prefixes and suffixes, what you're left with is just more fat. There's not enough meat. I'd love to see someone attempt what you propose though, it would be an interesting exercise.
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