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• RE: Absence of the Symbol Resembling '4' in the Very First Folio 1r

  Dobri > 01-03-2025, 04:49 PM

  (01-03-2025, 04:16 PM)oshfdk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.So, on the left-hand side it's both 4-like 4s and 4-like 5s? Interesting, I think I've never seen them used together.

  Indeed, it appears that the 4-like numeral 5 was the last one of the decimal numerals that had to undergo a further transformation because the numeral 7 was also depicted in its modern form.

• RE: Absence of the Symbol Resembling '4' in the Very First Folio 1r

  Ruby Novacna > 01-03-2025, 05:27 PM

  (01-03-2025, 03:49 PM)Dobri Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Here is an example of the numeral 4 shown as l in the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. from the late 13th century and 
  a subsequent later addition on the left-hand side with said numeral 4 shown as q.

  
  You change the font size in your posts? Because it's much smaller than in other people's posts.

• RE: Absence of the Symbol Resembling '4' in the Very First Folio 1r

  Koen G > 01-03-2025, 05:35 PM

  (01-03-2025, 05:27 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You change the font size in your posts? Because it's much smaller than in other people's posts.

  
  It should display as normal - the posts are just in plain text.

• RE: Absence of the Symbol Resembling '4' in the Very First Folio 1r

  Dobri > 02-03-2025, 11:36 AM

  Since the numerals 4, 5, and 7 began to take the forms we are familiar with today by the end of the fifteenth century, 
  what was the possible inspiration in the early 15th century for the inclusion of the symbol q in the cipher manuscript?
  
  Was there a limited use of q in parts of Europe in the early 15th century?

• RE: Absence of the Symbol Resembling '4' in the Very First Folio 1r

  Dobri > 02-03-2025, 03:24 PM

  The decimal point was first used in a text by You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.in the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
  
  The numerals 4, 5, and 7 were depicted in said text in their medieval forms and only the numeral 7 was beginning to resemble its modern form.
  
  

• RE: Absence of the Symbol Resembling '4' in the Very First Folio 1r

  Dobri > 02-03-2025, 06:22 PM

  (02-03-2025, 11:36 AM)Dobri Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Since the numerals 4, 5, and 7 began to take the forms we are familiar with today by the end of the fifteenth century, 
  what was the possible inspiration in the early 15th century for the inclusion of the symbol q in the cipher manuscript?
  
  Was there a limited use of q in parts of Europe in the early 15th century?

  
  It appears that qo can be found as early as 1339 in the arithmetic manuscript Trattato dell'abbaco written by You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (c. 1282 – c. 1374).
  
  Notice also the use of the numeral 5 depicted as more 5-like than 4-like.
  
  

• RE: Absence of the Symbol Resembling '4' in the Very First Folio 1r

  Dobri > 02-03-2025, 07:07 PM

  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (1282–1374) was born in Prato.
  
  See the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. in Prato with its swallow-tail merlons.
  
  

• RE: Absence of the Symbol Resembling '4' in the Very First Folio 1r

  Dobri > 02-03-2025, 07:33 PM

  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. "found a school of arithmetic (bottegha d'abacho) at You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view." in the Republic of Florence and "reputedly had 6,000–10,000 pupils over the course of his life".
  
  See the swallow-tail merlons on the clock tower of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..

• RE: Absence of the Symbol Resembling '4' in the Very First Folio 1r

  Dobri > 02-03-2025, 08:35 PM

  See the fish and the plants in one of the pages of Trattato dell'abbaco by You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
  
  

• RE: Absence of the Symbol Resembling '4' in the Very First Folio 1r

  Koen G > 02-03-2025, 09:54 PM

  The way 4o is written almost like a ligature is very interesting. I don't think I've ever seen one this close before (though I haven't really looked).
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