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RE: Let's rate some bulls
R. Sale > 03-01-2025, 12:04 AM
A good pair of horns is hard to find.
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Another from Hagenau:
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Pierre de Bauffremont
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Winner: Best Smile
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RE: Let's rate some bulls
Koen G > 03-01-2025, 12:22 AM
One of the mss we saw earlier had Moses with some really nice and long lyre-shaped horns. It was a strange sight. -
RE: Let's rate some bulls
Koen G > 03-01-2025, 09:06 AM
I don't have to look up the MS to say that this is certainly real. -
RE: Let's rate some bulls
Linda > 03-01-2025, 08:28 PM
(03-01-2025, 04:42 AM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Is this real?? It says Hagenau c. 1441-1449
Universitätsbibliothek Heidelberg, Cod. Pal. germ. 19 Bibel, dt.: AT (Bücher Mose, Josua, Richter) (Hagenau - Werkstatt Diebold Lauber, 1441-1449)
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![[Image: 141v.jpg]](https://digi.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/diglitData/image/cpg19/4/141v.jpg)
I think it says
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RE: Let's rate some bulls
R. Sale > 03-01-2025, 10:16 PM
It's starting to look like the Lauber folks had a thing with lyre-shaped horns. First the brazen bull, then a couple of heraldic crests, and now this Moses (with sunglasses?)
The list of Lauber manuscripts had a fair number of Bibles. Potential biblical illustrations of interest might include other drawings of Moses, the bull in the nativity, and the bull associated with St. Luke. I wonder how far this goes. -
RE: Let's rate some bulls
Dana Scott > 03-01-2025, 10:48 PM
(03-01-2025, 10:16 PM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It's starting to look like the Lauber folks had a thing with lyre-shaped horns. First the brazen bull, then a couple of heraldic crests, and now this Moses (with sunglasses?)
The list of Lauber manuscripts had a fair number of Bibles. Potential biblical illustrations of interest might include other drawings of Moses, the bull in the nativity, and the bull associated with St. Luke. I wonder how far this goes.
I find it remarkable that even Michaelangelo gave Moses horns, apparently due to a misinterpretation of the Bible.
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RE: Let's rate some bulls
bi3mw > 03-01-2025, 10:48 PM
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Text for a portrait of Moses by Michelangelo:
It [the statue] shows Moses returning from Mount Sinai with the tablets of the law at the moment when he finds the Israelites dancing around the golden calf. The horns on his head are the result of a translation error: in the original Hebrew text, which has no vowels, the word is “krn”. When vowels were later added to the text, two “e ”s were inserted. The word “krn” becomes “keren”, which means “horned”.
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RE: Let's rate some bulls
R. Sale > 04-01-2025, 12:30 AM
Even more offtopic, but not really.
I read an interesting thread, they used qaran and qeren. Qeren means horned, but for qaran, the best choice might be 'radiant'. In the Bible there are more than 80 uses of qrn where 'horned' is corect....., but when it comes to Moses coming down the mountain - radiant seems the better choice.
Apparently, the author of this text was trying to pull a pun, but the translator missed it entirely. Having horns was a sign of divinity at the time but has since been given a more demonic interpretation.
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RE: Let's rate some bulls
Dana Scott > 04-01-2025, 12:55 AM
(04-01-2025, 12:30 AM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Even more offtopic, but not really.
I read an interesting thread, they used qaran and qeren. Qeren means horned, but for qaran, the best choice might be 'radiant'. In the Bible there are more than 80 uses of qrn where 'horned' is corect....., but when it comes to Moses coming down the mountain - radiant seems the better choice.
Apparently, the author of this text was trying to pull a pun, but the translator missed it entirely. Having horns was a sign of divinity at the time but has since been given a more demonic interpretation.
Consider it a level of sophistication that fails, like a joke that is 'over one's head'.
Perhaps there is an implied thread leading back to Isis? Or not.
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