Davidsch > 08-02-2017, 02:58 PM
(04-03-2016, 07:17 PM)-Job- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.In the text produced by your generator, what's the ratio between vocabulary size and text size?
The VM has a ratio of 0.21. The A folios have a ratio of 0.3 and the B folios have a ratio of 0.21, so there is some internal variation.
The following are the ratios for sample texts in known languages:
Pliny's Natural History (Latin): 0.27
Bible (Latin): 0.22
Bible (Hebrew): 0.22
Dante (Italian): 0.22
Moby Dick (English): 0.11
Short Stories (Pinyin): 0.21
I expect that you should be able to match a ratio of 0.21 by constraining the copy operation. The question is, how much?
davidjackson > 08-02-2017, 09:33 PM
ThomasCoon > 09-02-2017, 03:23 AM
(08-02-2017, 09:33 PM)davidjackson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The issue I have with this theory - and I like this theory - is that it seems too regular for the late Middle ages.
In other words, there is no reason for such a structural framework to be imposed upon the scribe. Why would you go to such lengths unless you had much more modern knowledge about language and wanted to deceive?
If it were possible to link your theory into a mechanical mechanism, it would be much more believable.
IE - imagine a scribe who has a mechanism to produce words (I'm thinking of a mechanical volvelle which can be easily spun for each word). I haven't been able to come up with a combinator to produce Voynich words in this fashion - have you?
stellar > 09-02-2017, 04:02 AM
Torsten > 09-02-2017, 08:49 AM
(08-02-2017, 09:33 PM)davidjackson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The issue I have with this theory - and I like this theory - is that it seems too regular for the late Middle ages.
Quote:In other words, there is no reason for such a structural framework to be imposed upon the scribe. Why would you go to such lengths unless you had much more modern knowledge about language and wanted to deceive?
Quote:If it were possible to link your theory into a mechanical mechanism, it would be much more believable.
IE - imagine a scribe who has a mechanism to produce words (I'm thinking of a mechanical volvelle which can be easily spun for each word). I haven't been able to come up with a combinator to produce Voynich words in this fashion - have you?
davidjackson > 17-05-2017, 09:16 PM
Quote:some sort of word-generating mechanism would not be beyond the scope of the 1400sBasic letter frequency analysis was know about in the 13 the century - Rudolph I made a cypher with multiple ciphers to avoid easy breaking of his otherwise basic caeser cipher.
Torsten > 19-05-2017, 08:51 PM
(28-02-2016, 06:31 PM)Sam G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Your eyes are enough to select a previously written word or sequence of letters. Try it yourself:
aur eye areare enug ta sale aprev ously wryt wart ol seequenc af leetee tly iit yau selsel
Yes it is - but that would not create the sequences we observe in the VMS.
I can accept the theory, but I can't see that practice would create the VMS.
davidjackson > 19-05-2017, 09:16 PM
Torsten > 19-05-2017, 10:34 PM
(19-05-2017, 09:16 PM)davidjackson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.This appears to be true, when we look at the EVA transcription.
But I would argue the reality is different. If we look at the original text, we see much more detail than in the transcription:
We fixate upon what we can see and recognise, and EVA helps us to do this by creating obvious patterns.
Quote:Let us look at a real world example with a similar effect (left hand column):
We can see similar words repeating themselves. (That's 16th century Basque -Euskera- by the way, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.). We can pick out similar fragments that are seem to be repeated, because we don't understand the context. But the text obviously has meaning. Although this example does not show the regularity of Voynichese.
Emma May Smith > 19-05-2017, 10:36 PM
(19-05-2017, 08:51 PM)Torsten Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.See all the words similar to [shol] like [shory], [sholdy], [shar], [shod] and [chear]. See also the words starting with [cth], [ckh], [cph] and [cfh]. Or see the words ending in [aiin].