-JKP- > 25-02-2016, 12:38 PM
Davidsch > 25-02-2016, 02:13 PM
Sam G > 26-02-2016, 07:34 AM
Helmut Winkler > 26-02-2016, 08:47 AM
(24-02-2016, 08:14 PM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....
In folio, a philosophical old handwritten book (or written in old style) with illustrations, and a copy [font=Times New Roman]written on parchment of (by?) Mathes Dörrer, unbound, and not fully collated, and of which Mr. Haydn has removed a few leaves by order of his majesty[/font]
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ReneZ > 26-02-2016, 09:36 AM
-JKP- > 26-02-2016, 03:39 PM
(26-02-2016, 09:36 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Thanks Helmut. I have the printed transcription of the entry, not the original handwriting. Assuming that it is accurate, I am not sure how to parse the sentence:
Ein philosophisch alt geschriben buch mit figurn und ein copey uff pergamen geschriben vom Mathes Dörrer, ungebunden, welchs nit gantz beysamen und herr Haiden auß bevelch I. Mt: etliche bletter davon genommen.
I have three main uncertainties:
1. Does copey really mean 'copy' in the modern sense of the word? The catalogue clearly indicates one entry, so there should not be two books (original and copy).
2. Is it: (Ein philo..... figurn) und (ein copey.... geschriben) or:
Ein .... buch mit (figurn und ein copey) uff pergamen ....
3. Does 'vom' specifically refer back to geschriben? This is how I would read it, but it implies that the author is known: Mathes Dörrer. It could also be that he made 'the copy'.
Mr. Haiden is well known, but I found nothing about Mathes Dörrer. It could also be Dürer, Derrer or possibly other versions....
juergenw > 26-02-2016, 08:18 PM
(26-02-2016, 09:36 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Thanks Helmut. I have the printed transcription of the entry, not the original handwriting. Assuming that it is accurate, I am not sure how to parse the sentence:
Ein philosophisch alt geschriben buch mit figurn und ein copey uff pergamen geschriben vom Mathes Dörrer, ungebunden, welchs nit gantz beysamen und herr Haiden auß bevelch I. Mt: etliche bletter davon genommen.
I have three main uncertainties:
1. Does copey really mean 'copy' in the modern sense of the word? The catalogue clearly indicates one entry, so there should not be two books (original and copy).
2. Is it: (Ein philo..... figurn) und (ein copey.... geschriben) or:
Ein .... buch mit (figurn und ein copey) uff pergamen ....
3. Does 'vom' specifically refer back to geschriben? This is how I would read it, but it implies that the author is known: Mathes Dörrer. It could also be that he made 'the copy'.
Mr. Haiden is well known, but I found nothing about Mathes Dörrer. It could also be Dürer, Derrer or possibly other versions....
Helmut Winkler > 27-02-2016, 11:55 AM
(26-02-2016, 09:36 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Thanks Helmut. I have the printed transcription of the entry, not the original handwriting. Assuming that it is accurate, I am not sure how to parse the sentence:
Ein philosophisch alt geschriben buch mit figurn und ein copey uff pergamen geschriben vom Mathes Dörrer, ungebunden, welchs nit gantz beysamen und herr Haiden auß bevelch I. Mt: etliche bletter davon genommen.
I have three main uncertainties:
1. Does copey really mean 'copy' in the modern sense of the word? The catalogue clearly indicates one entry, so there should not be two books (original and copy).
2. Is it: (Ein philo..... figurn) und (ein copey.... geschriben) or:
Ein .... buch mit (figurn und ein copey) uff pergamen ....
3. Does 'vom' specifically refer back to geschriben? This is how I would read it, but it implies that the author is known: Mathes Dörrer. It could also be that he made 'the copy'.
Mr. Haiden is well known, but I found nothing about Mathes Dörrer. It could also be Dürer, Derrer or possibly other versions....
Helmut Winkler > 01-03-2016, 11:23 AM
(26-02-2016, 09:36 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.... but I found nothing about Mathes Dörrer. It could also be Dürer, Derrer or possibly other versions....
Anton > 19-03-2016, 11:28 PM