oshfdk > 23-10-2023, 07:10 AM
(23-10-2023, 07:05 AM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Let there be no connection to meaning!
ReneZ > 23-10-2023, 07:26 AM
(23-10-2023, 05:21 AM)oshfdk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.There is a problem, I use the file that I downloaded, I think, about 2 years ago when I first decided to look at the Voynich manuscript statistics. I assumed that it would be uniquely identifiable from its top header.
The header in full reads:
#=IVTFF Eva- 1.7
# ZL transliteration file, updated from EVMT project
# Version 1r of 11/04/2020
Could you help with identifying the proper name of this file, by which I should refer to it?
oshfdk > 23-10-2023, 07:56 AM
(23-10-2023, 07:26 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.This is the older version "1r" of the "ZL" file, or more elaborately: the Zandbergen-Landini transliteration, as explained at You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
It is still available at the 'legacy' files page: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
ReneZ > 23-10-2023, 08:35 AM
oshfdk > 23-10-2023, 08:47 AM
(22-10-2023, 03:43 PM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.daily-random Wrote:• 10 NUMBERS FROM 1 TO 500:
133 499 165 144 207 215 491 361 336 400
nablator > 23-10-2023, 11:04 AM
(22-10-2023, 02:25 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.On a more fundamental point, I am concerned that a "stateful one to many cipher" may be helpful when trying to decode text, but will not be able to explain how any plain text, when encoded using this, will have the properties that Marco Ponzi already pointed out.
oshfdk > 23-10-2023, 11:55 AM
(23-10-2023, 11:04 AM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(22-10-2023, 02:25 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.On a more fundamental point, I am concerned that a "stateful one to many cipher" may be helpful when trying to decode text, but will not be able to explain how any plain text, when encoded using this, will have the properties that Marco Ponzi already pointed out.
No one claimed that it, alone, explains the properties that MarcoP You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
Quote:If "distance-based ciphertexts" are possible, I'd like to see concrete examples (in the other thread) of ciphertext that looks a bit like Voynichese to get a better appreciation of what would cause these properties to appear and how encoding would work in practice: how many ad hoc suppositions are needed and how constrains that rule Voynichese statistical properties could be enforced.
nablator > 23-10-2023, 12:39 PM
(23-10-2023, 11:55 AM)oshfdk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Actually, I do claim this, quite explicitly.
oshfdk > 23-10-2023, 01:07 PM
(23-10-2023, 12:39 PM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(23-10-2023, 11:55 AM)oshfdk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Actually, I do claim this, quite explicitly.
No, I wrote alone, as if all "stateful one to many cipher" should show these properties: of course they don't. Some do, some don't. Marco and René expressed their concerns as if there were no additional requirements.
ReneZ > 23-10-2023, 02:00 PM
(23-10-2023, 11:04 AM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(22-10-2023, 02:25 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.On a more fundamental point, I am concerned that a "stateful one to many cipher" may be helpful when trying to decode text, but will not be able to explain how any plain text, when encoded using this, will have the properties that Marco Ponzi already pointed out.
No one claimed that it, alone, explains the properties that MarcoP You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..