VViews > 31-03-2016, 03:05 PM
(31-03-2016, 09:22 AM)Diane Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Dear Colleagues,
Am I mis-reading the trend of this thread, or have we leapt from wondering what sort of creature might be intended, to one suggestion of its being a sheep... - to presuming that the maker intended to draw a sheep, re-defining the probable date for first composition of the image... and from that to trying to rope it in to a theoretical 'history' for the manuscript relating to Germany?
(31-03-2016, 09:22 AM)Diane Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Have we any other reasonable suggestions about what sort of creature this was meant to represent?
R. Sale > 31-03-2016, 08:28 PM
MarcoP > 05-04-2016, 05:41 PM
(31-03-2016, 08:28 PM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The Tubingen Ram seems to be the best / only illustration that contains both elements: Animal (above) and nebuly line (below). Are there other examples of anything similar? Any animal; any lines? - - Don't blame me, it was posted by MarcoP, and it started with another fellow on Bax's blog.
VViews > 06-04-2016, 12:17 PM
R. Sale > 06-04-2016, 06:55 PM
Koen G > 06-04-2016, 07:49 PM
-JKP- > 06-04-2016, 10:35 PM
(06-04-2016, 06:55 PM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The point I am hoping to make about the VMs illustration and the discussion of animal identification is that it is not just a matter of finding an animal that is the best subjective match. This is a tewfer - double or nothing. Most attempts to identify the VMs animal have simply ignored the wobbly lines as if they were irrelevant. And those who have named them them have called them a pillow, a filter, an alter or a cushion. According to heraldic tradition however, this is a nebuly line. And given the traditional interpretation, these lines represent clouds.
I believe that the presence of the lines is as important as the identification of the animal. Therefore the requirement to match the VMs illustration is to have both elements: the animal and the clouds. This criterion admits few examples.
R. Sale > 06-04-2016, 11:37 PM
Koen G > 07-04-2016, 07:41 AM
MarcoP > 07-04-2016, 08:07 AM
(06-04-2016, 07:49 PM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Come on guys, let's be real for a second. It's not a sheep and much less a ram. There are just too many arguments against that interpretation.
Koen Gh. Wrote: All kinds of things appeared with nebuly lines, and wavy lines appear also in other settings.