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• RE: Decoding the Enigma: Applying Siamese Neural Networks to Decipher the Voynich Manuscr

  Ruby Novacna > 01-10-2023, 07:19 PM

  In your translated sentence there are 4-6 words, more than in the original, is this justified?

• RE: Decoding the Enigma: Applying Siamese Neural Networks to Decipher the Voynich Manuscr

  pfeaster > 02-10-2023, 12:07 PM

  (30-09-2023, 04:17 PM)pegalac Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.  There, sorry.

  
  Like this?
  
  pydainy = tagete (n.)
  ypchol = blooms vigorously (v.)
  daiin = and
  otchal = emits scent (v.)
  
  Or something else?

• RE: Decoding the Enigma: Applying Siamese Neural Networks to Decipher the Voynich Manuscr

  ReneZ > 02-10-2023, 04:49 PM

  (30-09-2023, 03:08 PM)pegalac Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Here is a preliminary result concerning a phrase detected with my AI. The beginning of the sentence that we deciphered is: "The tagete blooms vigorously and emits a scent." However, I would like to emphasize that I am not entirely sure about the accuracy of this result.

  
  Given that "tagetes" is an American plant, this is very unlikely to be correct.
  You haven't told us a lot. I guess that the sentence you provided is a translation into modern English of the decipherment of the Voynichese text. In what language is this decipherment?
  Latin?
  In that case, and according to P.Feaster's guess, 'daiin' would be "et".
  I could make further guesses based on that, but it would be helpful if you could tell us a bit more.

• RE: Decoding the Enigma: Applying Siamese Neural Networks to Decipher the Voynich Manuscr

  Lissu > 02-10-2023, 05:45 PM

  Yes I always thought this plant was supposed to be centaurea!

• RE: Decoding the Enigma: Applying Siamese Neural Networks to Decipher the Voynich Manuscr

  asteckley > 21-12-2023, 05:24 AM

  I regret that I never found this post until now.
  
  It appears that the whole thread has quietly gone back under the rock from whence it emerged, but as a technologist who has a good level of experience with neural networks, I've still got to ask: "What the heck was that all about?!?"
  
  I hope this post does not unfairly taint people's opinion of what role AI (and neural networks in particular) might play in Voynich Manuscript research. So let me add the following:
  
  It is highly unlikely that AI will ever "crack the Voynich Manuscript" -- certainly not by any of the approaches that I've ever seen suggested in posts and publications.  That being said, there are ways that AI and machine learning models can make helpful advances in several areas of Voynich research.

• RE: Decoding the Enigma: Applying Siamese Neural Networks to Decipher the Voynich Manuscr

  pegalac > 21-12-2023, 08:08 PM

  (21-12-2023, 05:24 AM)asteckley Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. I regret that I never found this post until now.
  
  It appears that the whole thread has quietly gone back under the rock from whence it emerged, but as a technologist who has a good level of experience with neural networks, I've still got to ask: "What the heck was that all about?!?"
  
  I hope this post does not unfairly taint people's opinion of what role AI (and neural networks in particular) might play in Voynich Manuscript research. So let me add the following:
  
  It is highly unlikely that AI will ever "crack the Voynich Manuscript" -- certainly not by any of the approaches that I've ever seen suggested in posts and publications.  That being said, there are ways that AI and machine learning models can make helpful advances in several areas of Voynich research.

  
  
  I wanted to try something except that it didn't give the results I wanted so I gave up what I wanted to do except that with the ia we have a better chance of surely deciphering something that isn't complete except for a nudge.

• RE: Decoding the Enigma: Applying Siamese Neural Networks to Decipher the Voynich Manuscr

  asteckley > 22-12-2023, 02:41 AM

  (21-12-2023, 08:08 PM)pegalac Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I wanted to try something except that it didn't give the results I wanted so I gave up what I wanted to do except that with the ia we have a better chance of surely deciphering something that isn't complete except for a nudge.

  
  I can totally understand that. You never know if something will work if you don't try. I've had plenty of hunches that took an enormous amount of time to look into, only to come up empty.
  Posting the experiment 'in progress' is still worth doing for feedback and collaboration. So there's no need retract the details of your attempt. 
  
  And I think it's fine to just wrap up the thread with what you discovered that didn't work ... whether it was just the data that didn't work, or finding a flaw in your original idea.
  (If people want to somehow look down on you because the idea didn't work out -- well that's an indication that they don't understand the research process.)

• RE: Decoding the Enigma: Applying Siamese Neural Networks to Decipher the Voynich Manuscr

  pegalac > 22-12-2023, 04:57 AM

  (22-12-2023, 02:41 AM)asteckley Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (21-12-2023, 08:08 PM)pegalac Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I wanted to try something except that it didn't give the results I wanted so I gave up what I wanted to do except that with the ia we have a better chance of surely deciphering something that isn't complete except for a nudge.

  
  I can totally understand that. You never know if something will work if you don't try. I've had plenty of hunches that took an enormous amount of time to look into, only to come up empty.
  Posting the experiment 'in progress' is still worth doing for feedback and collaboration. So there's no need retract the details of your attempt. 
  
  And I think it's fine to just wrap up the thread with what you discovered that didn't work ... whether it was just the data that didn't work, or finding a flaw in your original idea.
  (If people want to somehow look down on you because the idea didn't work out -- well that's an indication that they don't understand the research process.)

  
  When I have time after Christmas I'll post all the results I've got them and why and what didn't work to conclude.
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