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• RE: On consonants and vowels in Voynichese

  nablator > 23-02-2023, 01:25 PM

  (23-02-2023, 11:49 AM)tavie Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.As a word final, rather than as a word in itself (which Scribe 3 does dislike).

  The first page by Scribe 3 is 12th in decreasing order of percentage of words ending in dy that are not dy. TT_ivtff_v0a transliteration.
  47% S5 You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (46/98)
  40% S2 You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (137/341)
  39% S2 You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (154/400)
  38% S2 You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (33/86)
  38% S2 You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (128/337)
  38% S2 You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (42/111)
  38% S2 You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (34/90)
  37% S2 You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (56/152)
  37% S2 You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (108/294)
  36% S2 You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (132/362)
  35% S2 You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (102/292)
  34% S3 You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (168/491)

• RE: On consonants and vowels in Voynichese

  tavie > 23-02-2023, 01:37 PM

  34% of all word finals - a third of all words - on the page seems a very high percentage to me.

• RE: On consonants and vowels in Voynichese

  Arichichi > 23-02-2023, 01:52 PM

  (23-02-2023, 01:37 PM)tavie Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.34% of all word finals - a third of all words - on the page seems a very high percentage to me.

  
  Maybe the said sections where -sama ending is common are liturgical texts written in a poetic style, thus have word endings that are appropriate for this kind of literary work. One such example of corpus of texts where words tend to end similarly is the Quran, and the glyphs concerned are but too letters و and ن.Yet, if you transcribe it in French, it would give something like oune, which is just about the same ratio as suggested by my system. And if entropy matters most to you, and you want to keep it low, let me mention that we have a huge margin to actually get to fit the VMS entropy within the frame of natural languages, which, would be required if we make the hypothesis that it is written in a natural language. So far, the finding that makes the entropy low is more of a painful pill to swallow than it is a truth carved in marble that has to remain true if we end up finding the scriptural cipher.

• RE: On consonants and vowels in Voynichese

  Arichichi > 23-02-2023, 02:57 PM

  Trying to search for h2-entropy values of languages, I failed to find an extensive coverage of worldwide languages, but much to my surprise, I found sources affirming that of the closest languages to Voynichese are Japanese and Hawaiian. It just so happens that Hawaiian has 7 consonants and 5 vowels, which is equal to the set of characters I am proposing.
  Adding to the study of the shapes of the characters and the relationships between their stroke structure gives further evidence for my case.
  What are your thoughts?

• RE: On consonants and vowels in Voynichese

  Arichichi > 23-02-2023, 04:10 PM

  On post #4 in this thread, I attached a diagram that highlights the hierarchy of consonants within the ending consonants in the most common quadgrams of the whole manuscript. It was unexpected of me to find such a thing, and all things considered, I think it defends the existence of a collection of C1VC2 combinations that could potentially have meanings which are yet to be found.
  
  
  
  Noteworthy to notice that the way I build the syllables is CV where as the tokens appear in the text as VC, while V in the text is most often than not a collection of italic 'I' strokes ranging from zero to four.

• RE: On consonants and vowels in Voynichese

  Arichichi > 03-03-2023, 03:30 PM

  -sama (EVA dy) ranks first as word ending, and first as line ending
  
  
  
  -nero (EVA aiin) ranks second as word ending, and third as line ending
  
  
  
  -nese (EVA am) ranks 20th as word ending, and second as line ending. In fact, it appears 178 times in the middle of a line, and 424 times at the end of a line.
  
  
  
  -neme (EVA al) ranks 7th as word ending, and 4th as line ending. In fact, it appears 1588 times in the middle of a line, and 213 times at the end of a line
  
  
  
  -nehe (EVA ar) ranks 5th as word ending, and 5th as line ending. In fact, it appears 2052 times in the middle of a line, and 170 times at the end of a line
  
  
  
  -rame (EVA ol) ranks 4th as word ending, and 6th as line ending. In fact, it appears 3008 times in the middle of a line, and 167 times at the end of a line
  
  
  
  -mema (EVA ly) ranks 19th as word ending, and 7th as line ending. In fact, it appears 187 times in the middle of a line, and 134 times at the end of a line
  
  
  
  -hema (EVA ry) ranks 27th as word ending, and 8th as line ending. In fact, it appears 85 times in the middle of a line, and 102 times at the end of a line
  
  
  
  -tema (EVA ky) ranks 9th as word ending, and 9th as line ending. In fact, it appears 507 times in the middle of a line, and 100 times at the end of a line
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  So, this means that -nese (EVA am), –mema (EVA ly) and -hema (EVA ry) can be used to further break down ideas into segments. If something short happens between these two, then it might be a short sentence.
  
  Worth noting are XeYa and XeYe as potential candidates for breaking down ideas.

• RE: On consonants and vowels in Voynichese

  Arichichi > 03-03-2023, 03:44 PM

  If broken down like in the previous post, the attached image shows what seems to be a quotation between blue markers of a sentence that's a play on a single root
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