nablator > 25-11-2022, 10:26 PM
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Mark Knowles > 25-11-2022, 10:46 PM
(25-11-2022, 10:26 PM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(25-11-2022, 08:25 PM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
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Baggy sleeves, 1437?
Jahr/Datierung
Mitte 15. Jhdt.; 1437
Ten seconds of research.
Mark Knowles > 25-11-2022, 10:51 PM
Mark Knowles > 25-11-2022, 11:19 PM
(25-11-2022, 08:01 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.In fact, until now, the one often repeated comment about Voynich MS drawings is that they appear to be original, if not unique.Many of the drawings in the Voynich may appear unique and may be unique. I certainly am of the view that some drawings are unique and some other drawings I don't know.
R. Sale > 25-11-2022, 11:20 PM
Mark Knowles > 25-11-2022, 11:44 PM
(25-11-2022, 11:20 PM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Here's another(?) Hagenau example dated 1442-1444. There are three illustrations.
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UBH Cod. Pal. germ. 362 Flore und Blanscheflur
The question is whether the VMs has to come after the Lauber works, or could both VMs and Lauber come from an earlier proto-Lauber of from someone's real-life experience? What evidence can show how the timeline fits together?
R. Sale > 26-11-2022, 12:08 AM
ReneZ > 26-11-2022, 05:15 AM
(25-11-2022, 11:19 PM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Many of the drawings in the Voynich may appear unique and may be unique. I certainly am of the view that some drawings are unique and some other drawings I don't know.
However in the specific case of the central Zodiac drawings in the Voynich they appear clearly to be far from unique. In fact they seem at least highly derivative and I suspect complete copies without any originality at all. It is semantic question perhaps, but I use the term exact copy even if the copy is very badly executed.
davidjackson > 26-11-2022, 08:51 AM
Quote:I am suggesting that it seems very plausible to me that Voynich author(s) copied the central Zodiac drawings from a work of Diebold Lauber.
Quote:In fact they seem at least highly derivative and I suspect complete copies without any originality at all. It is semantic question perhaps, but I use the term exact copy even if the copy is very badly executed.That approach is problematic, at best, unless you can prove they were tracing the lines or something.
Koen G > 26-11-2022, 09:18 AM
(26-11-2022, 08:51 AM)davidjackson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.There are two different arguments being conflated here:
a) Is the VM a derivate work of the Lauber style?
b) Can the VM illustrative style be used to attempt to date the period which they represent?
I fail to see why attempts are being made to link one to the other.