Torsten > 02-11-2022, 10:27 AM
(01-11-2022, 12:19 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.For me, this is not a problem. If the MS text was the result of a truly arbitrary process, then we would expect to be able to predict such frequencies, but in case it is meaningful language, then not.
Compare English:
bat - bet - bit - bot - but
cat - cet - cit - cot - cut
Tehre is no pattern in the frequencies
(Dislcaimer: just the first example I could think of).
Emma May Smith > 02-11-2022, 12:47 PM
(02-11-2022, 04:53 AM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.1. words with multiple gallows are present.
The question is can I judge them as one word or are there two?
I have a correction in one gallows. Are they two letters in combination. Why would a split work here. Does a meaningless text work here?
3. obviously two of the same gallows in a row. Are they really the same or is it just a deception.
When I use EVA all the words look the same. But they are not. There are more differences than first apparent.
Do you know the difference between an f and a t. v or u.
It's not what it seems.
Torsten > 02-11-2022, 01:40 PM
(02-11-2022, 03:04 AM)Emma May Smith Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.A good model explains common observations: why only one gallows glyph per word? why is /d/ before a gallows so rare, but a /d/ after a gallows so common? why is /ch/ so common, but not after /o, y/, except at the beginning of a line? And when we say "explain", we mean not that it provides a cause, but rather it provides a rule. So we might say, in answer to the foregoing questions: "there is only one normal slot for a gallows in a word", and "the slot for a gallows precedes the slot for /d/", and even "/o, y/ before /ch/ is abnormal and not part of regular word formation". These answer still require more explanation, but they take us forward: glyph have slots! slots have order! the final word may be the result of multiple processes!
nablator > 02-11-2022, 06:17 PM
(02-11-2022, 04:53 AM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.1. words with multiple gallows are present.
The question is can I judge them as one word or are there two?
Quote:When I use EVA all the words look the same. But they are not. There are more differences than first apparent.
Hermes777 > 02-11-2022, 08:42 PM
Aga Tentakulus > 02-11-2022, 11:40 PM
ReneZ > 03-11-2022, 01:14 AM
nablator > 03-11-2022, 10:01 AM
(03-11-2022, 01:14 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.We always need to remember (as I am sure people do) that the Voynich text was not created by a machine, but by a human being, and that many hundreds of years ago. There will be no mathematical rule that can apply. Only fuzzy rules. (*)It is true but, tempting as it is to explain (way too many) irregularities as mistakes, qko and multiple gallows tell us more about the system than dysfunctional word models ever will.
Humans will make mistakes, are prone to whims, may forget things etc. etc.
Torsten > 03-11-2022, 10:53 AM
(03-11-2022, 01:14 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.We always need to remember (as I am sure people do) that the Voynich text was not created by a machine, but by a human being, and that many hundreds of years ago. There will be no mathematical rule that can apply. Only fuzzy rules. (*)
Humans will make mistakes, are prone to whims, may forget things etc. etc.
Therefore, that there are exceptions to the almost hard rules that:
- q is alwazys followed by o
- there is only one gallows per word
should not be a concern.
No system will perfectly.
ReneZ > 03-11-2022, 01:26 PM
(03-11-2022, 10:01 AM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It is true but, tempting as it is to explain (way too many) irregularities as mistakes, qko and multiple gallows tell us more about the system than dysfunctional word models ever will.