LisaFaginDavis > 29-05-2022, 04:05 PM
MarcoP > 29-05-2022, 04:42 PM
(29-05-2022, 11:34 AM)davidjackson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Yes, but my question is:
What in the VM would make Kircher assume it was a hidden text and not a foreign alphabet? He explicitly refers to a secret chest of a sort he is familiar with.
multas huius scrinae scripturas variis occasionibus me dissolvisse memini, imo et iam circa hanc quoque molientur ingenii
Quote:André Szelp: opinions that “shrines” refers to the concealment of text by encryption which has to be cracked, i.e. opened like a shrine/cabinet? In particular, in Latin “scrinium (neuter)” means ‘case, chest for a book’, so has a connotation with knowledge and writing which I agree with. Kirchner uses a non-standard gender form (feminine) “scrina”. The idea here seems to be that there is a chest of knowledge – ie, plain text hiding a secret message.
Koen G > 29-05-2022, 05:18 PM
(29-05-2022, 03:16 PM)Helmut Winkler Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.To say it clearly, my suggestion IS that we have in Beineke 408
a caswe of Late Medieval Shorthand. It came to me when I ignored the
misreadings of EVA and started to read the ms. by itself, which is
possible as I have told you again and again
Helmut Winkler > 29-05-2022, 05:28 PM
Helmut Winkler > 29-05-2022, 05:48 PM
MarcoP > 29-05-2022, 06:56 PM
(29-05-2022, 05:28 PM)Helmut Winkler Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Marco,
I am sure you are wrong, the first letter is a long s, look how the ductus is flowing,
there is no separate dash, not to say that farina - flour really does not make sense
in this context.
Quote:Multas huius farinae scripturas uarijs occasionibus me dissoluisse memini
I can recall solving many writings of this kind when the occasion presented itself
Quote:...ea tractare statui, quae ad pietatem attinent, id est de superstitiosa et Magica curatione per verba, characteres, invocationes nescio quorum Angelorum et quicquid huius farinae cacodaemones excogitarunt.
I have resolved to deal with those things which pertain to piety—that is, concerning superstitious and magical healing through words, characters and the invocations of all sorts of angels and whatever else of this nature evil spirits contrive.
Ranceps > 29-05-2022, 08:54 PM
MarcoP > 29-05-2022, 09:12 PM
Quote:Tempus me deficeret, si omnia, quae in Rabbinorum libris passim occurrunt, huius farinae machinamenta, adducerent vellem.
I would run out of time, if I wanted to discuss all the inventions of this kind that appear in the books of the rabbis.
Helmut Winkler > 30-05-2022, 08:49 AM
MarcoP > 30-05-2022, 09:29 AM
(30-05-2022, 08:49 AM)Helmut Winkler Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Maro.
assuming you are right (which I don't, but it doesn' matter), where is the difference in meaning, i.e. that K. had seen these kind of writings and had read them?