[quote="Juan_Sali" pid='49724' dateline='1648769203']
[quote="Ahmet Ardıç" pid='49723' dateline='1648766145']
[My perception is that you first assigned letters to charachters. As this didnt work you desomposed some characters into several letters, maybe common groups of 3 letters in turkic words, a base to make it easy to find words. As this didnt work you added abbreviations to fill the gaps.
There has been attemps with a similar techniquea and none of them worked.]
Dear Juan Sali,
Thank you for your comment.
As I explained this issue in my previous comments. There are phonetic harmony structures in Turkish, and I don't think you can see similar ones in Indo-European languages. For example, the vowel in between
-SEM and
-SAM word suffixes became
E or
A. This situation does not change the function of this word suffix. So these both show that a person is being expressed. There is a vowel harmony in every Turkish dialect of our language. If you read them from a professional's page, you will understand how sometimes two sometimes 5 voices correspond to one sign in our transcription.
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There are eight vowels in todays
Turkey Turkish.
They are divided into two groups:
The A-UnDotted Vowels:
A I O U
The Dotted Vowels are produced at the the front of the mouth similar to French pronounciation.
The E-Dotted Vowels:
E İ Ö Ü
The UnDotted Vowels are produced nearer the throat as in English.
For example;
To form plurals we have a choice to add either
-lar or
-ler to the word.
The Plural Suffix is chosen from
-ler or
-lar to mirror the final vowel of its noun.
All other suffixes containing
a or
e follow this
Vowel Harmony rule.
The plural suffix
-ler to words whose final vowel is one of the
E-Dotted Vowels. Same as the plural suffix
-lar to words whose vowel is one of the
A (non dotted) vowels.
There are a very few exceptions to this rule where the suffix does not echo Vowel Harmony exactly as examples (pls see the source link).
So, Vowel Harmony of Turkish Suffixes
All words with their last vowel in the
A-UnDotted Group take
-lar as their plural. This rule applies for all suffixes which contain
a.
Those words with an
E-Dotted Group Vowel take
-ler as their plural. This rule applies for all suffixes which contain
e.
Common and important words which are in constant use:
in, on, at, from, to, with, etc. are suffixes in Turkish. They must harmonize with final vowel of the word they modify.
For this reason, if you are going to try to transcribe a Turkish text, you put different vowel variants in front of each alphabet sign. This situation does not occur in what you call Indo-European languages. For this reason, someone who speaks an Indo-European language naturally thinks that we did the transcription that we did in order to create a space for ourselves to read. But not. This is a normal case. Moreover, since we have not yet determined which dialect the Voynich manuscript author uses, we try to find some sound equivalents in many sentences by trial and error. This situation usually only seems more confusing with multi-syllable marks. However, when we started this work, while there were more phonetic alternatives for each sign, we eliminated these as our work progressed over time.
In addition,
For animate subjects the verb tense suffix must agree in Turkish:
Both the subject and the verb are singular or both subject and verb are plural. The motion away suffix -den/-dan from, by, via, through. The motion toward suffix -(y)e/-(y)a to, towards. Buffer letter -y is used between vowels.
There are two different forms of I (İ) and U (Ü) in Turkish.
The UnDotted Forms of
I or
U follow the
A-UnDotted group
A I O U
The Dotted Forms of
İ or
Ü follow the
E-Dotted group
E İ Ö Ü
Suffixes containing a can have two forms:
a or
e.
The the suffix
-den -dan from was shown as an example.
Suffixes containg the generic letter -
I has four forms
-i -ı -u -ü.
The suffix
-im my harmonizes its own vowel to any of
-i, -ı, -u, ü to mirror the last vowel of the word it is suffixed to.
All suffixes with an internal
-i- vowel follow this vowel harmony.
The suffix
-im follows words whose last vowel is
-e or
-i. The suffix
-ım follows words whose last vowel is
-a or
-ı. The suffix
-üm follows words whose last vowel is
-ö or
-ü. The suffix-
um follows words whose last vowel is
-o or
-u. The Vowel of the Suffix
-im -ım -um -üm my is dropped to prevent two vowels occurring together. When adding
-im my (or the other Possessive Adjectives) to a word which ends in a vowel: Only the shortened suffix
-m, -n, -miz, -niz is added. This prevents two vowels occurring together. The third person singular suffix
a bare vowel
-i. It uses buffer letter
-s- in order to keep two vowels apart. It preseves the original root word and decomes
‑is ‑sı‑sü ‑su.
I'm sure this may sound confusing to some of you.
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As a result, when thinking in English and judging the work done for Turkish, you should consider that the experience of preparing transcriptions for Turkish may not match your expectations.
Our transcription will be further simplified for syllabic characters in the future. The transcription of syllable characters is not complete at the moment. Make no mistake when you look at our unterminated continuing syllable transcription table. These will become simpler as the reading progresses.
You think that we are trying to read VM texts comfortably by showing a lot of sound value in exchange for a sign.
We don't do this. But scientists have done it repeatedly.
Scientists claimed to have read the Hittite civilization written texts a long time ago. According to them, the language of this civilization was supposedly an Indo-European language. Thousands of articles have been written on this subject, and they have officially created a language based on anagrams and fabrications. Professors in academies matched a single Hittite word to 5 almost unrelated phonetic values in their articles and transcriptions. This type of matching, which may be reasonable for Turkish today, should not be considered as a scientific work. But your European linguists have called them scientific. The Hittite language is a Turkish civilization language. Same as the Sumerian language.
Myself and at least a hundred other researchers and academics will be the ones deflating the balloon articles in many academies in the West.
Linguistics without math and logic can only produce bubbles. Every balloon bursts and disappears one day. We do not use unscientific methods. We are advancing with the methods that should be in the middle of science. It is necessary to examine each language with a method suitable for its own structure.
If you read even a single sentence with a transcription clearly and correctly, you can declare that transcription is working. Because transcription is a key, it won't open a lock that doesn't fit.
Moreover, the Voynich manuscript writer makes some puns on a large number (almost half of the sentences studied) using this type of alphabet and spelling. We have shown many examples of these as well. For example, the words OL and ÖL are written with the same letters. Or the words SAM, ŞEM, ŞAM, SEM are written with the same signs. All of these have equivalents in Turkish. So we show them in dictionaries. Moreover, when we analyze a sentence written by the author, we realize that when we examine them as different words in a sentence, the meaning of the sentence changes, but the meaning integrity of the sentence is not broken for each of tham. This was observed in more than half of the sentences. So the author uses the advantages that this alphabet gives him to make these word games. No similar manuscript or text could be found in the history of the world where this could be seen with the same intensity.
The Voynich manuscript is in many ways the first and last of its kind. So is the alphabet. In fact, this alphabet was created just to write this work. That's why we try to enjoy what we read. Linguistics, on the other hand, will continue to discuss the findings we have already revealed for at least 100 years from now on. This is also a normal situation. However, no linguist who knows mathematics and has not lost his logic will not be able to claim that the content of this manuscript is not Turkish in the future. So this job is over and the texts are readable.
Suppose you lost your wallet in a dark cave. In this case, would you look for your wallet outside because the weather is sunny and bright? You should look for your lost wallet in the area where you lost it. Western science is constantly finding some wallets tyme by tyme that do not belong to them, but they are not really their own lost and must be returned their real owner.
You claimed the Hittite language. You did not own the Sumerian language and said that it was not related to any language alive today. So they're either part of your culture or nobody's. Such nonsense is not to be a science.
This is exactly what happens when it comes to archaeology, history and linguistics. For me this is not a problem.
Thanks