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• RE: What do you think the six objects in the central rosette represent most likely?

  Linda > 24-10-2021, 03:32 PM

  (14-10-2021, 10:39 PM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Please identify your six of seven various objects.
  
  I see four quasi-tower-like structures and above that an area combining blue paint and the typical, asterisk star icons found in many other places. It's interesting to note that this area is 'fastened' (like a piece of fabric) to the thinner 'towers' at the far side

  
  The thinner towers? They seem to be similar size to me,  the round sections drawn a little smaller since they are farther back, although the perspective doesnt seem quite right, perhaps they are taller (or thinner is still possible, i guess). The left back one seems to show its bottom almost next to the one at far left. Perhaps that bottom piece is considered by some to be the seventh? The back one on the right doesnt seem to have a delineated bottom section although i think it is implied by the line down to the one in front of it. Overall i think there are six, of similar sizing, with some problems of perspective.

• RE: What do you think the six objects in the central rosette represent most likely?

  Koen G > 24-10-2021, 04:10 PM

  I agree there are six "towers", but they clearly vary in thickness.
  
  For the tower on the left, the narrow part is about 67% of the width of the globular section, while for the one on the right, the narrow section is only 25% of the width of the globe.
  
     
  
  I didn't comment too much before since I didn't want to steer the vote, but I think we can also say that some of the objects are more tower-like while others are more vessel-like. The one on the right is the most like a vessel, with a foot for placing it on a table and a ringed stem for holding it in hand. But it also has some properties of a tower, most notably that there is no clear way of opening it and accessing the contents. The one on the left has the opposite problem: it stands broad and firm like a tower, but appears to have a lid so it could be opened like lidded chalice.
  
  Mark brought up ciboria, which are excellent parallels. Look at this c. 1400 example and you will see what I mean:
  
  
  
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  The lid checks out with the left tower but not with the right. The lower section checks out with the right tower but not with the left.
  
  I voted 'both vessels and towers'

• RE: What do you think the six objects in the central rosette represent most likely?

  Mark Knowles > 24-10-2021, 04:53 PM

  (24-10-2021, 04:10 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Mark brought up ciboria, which are excellent parallels. Look at this c. 1400 example and you will see what I mean:
  
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  Unfortunately it's a bit outside my price range.

• RE: What do you think the six objects in the central rosette represent most likely?

  DONJCH > 24-10-2021, 06:53 PM

  I looked up "ciborium": You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
  The word is also used for the large canopy over the altar of a medieval church.
  
  Interesting in relation to the clothlike starry field in the VM - perhaps another visual pun?

• RE: What do you think the six objects in the central rosette represent most likely?

  Pardis Motiee > 11-11-2021, 09:53 PM

  Seven pillars of Bukhara citadel resembling seven stars of Ursa Major.
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