Hermes777 > 27-09-2022, 01:43 PM
bi3mw > 27-09-2022, 04:48 PM
(27-09-2022, 01:43 PM)Hermes777 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.*In Llull’s system the four elements are denoted by the letters A (Fire-Heat), B (Earth-Dryness), C (Air-Wetness) and D (Water-Coldness).
*Llull then combines these letters in order to define sixteen characteristic herbs denoted by the letters E, F, G, H, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, V and Y.
*The herbs are then characterized by the degree of the presence (the measure) of the elements A, B, C and D.
*For example, herb E is characterized by A in the 4th degree, B in the 3d degree, C in the 2nd degree and D in the 1st degree, and so on.
Hermes777 > 27-09-2022, 11:41 PM
(27-09-2022, 04:48 PM)bi3mw Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(27-09-2022, 01:43 PM)Hermes777 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.*In Llull’s system the four elements are denoted by the letters A (Fire-Heat), B (Earth-Dryness), C (Air-Wetness) and D (Water-Coldness).
*Llull then combines these letters in order to define sixteen characteristic herbs denoted by the letters E, F, G, H, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, V and Y.
*The herbs are then characterized by the degree of the presence (the measure) of the elements A, B, C and D.
*For example, herb E is characterized by A in the 4th degree, B in the 3d degree, C in the 2nd degree and D in the 1st degree, and so on.
Is there possibly a manuscript in which this method is presented ?
Edit:
This is where the system is supposed to be mapped, but I can't quite figure it out ( It is probably the middle branch ):
The Tree of Medicine Principles according to the Palma Manuscript, Bibl. Publ., 1029, folio 23V.4
Hermes777 > 09-10-2022, 04:40 AM
pfeaster > 09-10-2022, 02:50 PM
(09-10-2022, 04:40 AM)Hermes777 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The metaphor offered by Feaster is much the same as I have suggested for the content of the text. This is the best or most useful metaphor Feaster can think of.... Feaster’s metaphor is too agricultural. There is no evidence of agriculture in the Voynich manuscript. This is a common mistaken assumption.
(27-09-2022, 01:43 PM)Hermes777 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The text of the manuscript consists of LISTS of vords. Vords are grouped and arranged meaningfully in these lists, and according to a method, but there is no grammar. (It has about as much grammar as a phonebook. It is compiled.)
Hermes777 > 09-10-2022, 11:08 PM
(09-10-2022, 02:50 PM)pfeaster Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I'm glad you've found that seasonal metaphor for Voynichese text patterns interesting. You write:
(09-10-2022, 04:40 AM)Hermes777 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The metaphor offered by Feaster is much the same as I have suggested for the content of the text. This is the best or most useful metaphor Feaster can think of.... Feaster’s metaphor is too agricultural. There is no evidence of agriculture in the Voynich manuscript. This is a common mistaken assumption.
Bear in mind that I meant this as a metaphor (as you say) rather than as an identification of actual subject matter. I don't think Stolfi meant to imply that the meanings of Voynichese characters have anything to do with a planetary crust, mantle, and core either. But of course its status as a metaphor doesn't mean some aspects of it *couldn't* be interpreted more literally. (As an aside, I find myself thinking now of the notes I keep myself about when and where I find particular wild mushrooms.)
Something you wrote earlier in this thread caught my attention:
(27-09-2022, 01:43 PM)Hermes777 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The text of the manuscript consists of LISTS of vords. Vords are grouped and arranged meaningfully in these lists, and according to a method, but there is no grammar. (It has about as much grammar as a phonebook. It is compiled.)
You went on to identify each line as a list and each paragraph as a collection of related lists. Do you have any further thoughts about what kind of "method" the formal structure of a list/line might reveal?
Ruby Novacna > 15-10-2022, 12:07 PM
(09-10-2022, 11:08 PM)Hermes777 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.My guess has been that vords, lines and paragraphs are meaningful units based on TIME. The work is essentially calendrical. I think the underlying tables of data in the plaintext would be organised in units of time. (That mutability within recurring cycles.)Unfortunately you do not present examples on at least a few pages or paragraphs.
The main unit would be the day (or zodiacal degree, daily solar increment) – counted as a dawn. A line = a day? Some calendrical cycle might be the uniting pattern (that generates vords and other structures as epiphenomena.) The larger frame would be the year, the full annual cycle.
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