Stephen Carlson > 15-02-2021, 11:03 AM
(15-02-2021, 10:07 AM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.This is more narrowly drawn than the comment I was responding to, but even so, what if the intention was to fake a likeness of an imagined document, written in a never-before-seen exotic script and language?(15-02-2021, 02:18 AM)Stephen Carlson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The VM is an outlier on almost every theory for it. But to so easily dismiss it as can't-be-fake simply based on the effort required strikes me as naive.
Right, but we are blending two different things here. It is easy to think of reasons why someone would put lots of effort into forging a document.
The "too much effort" argument applies to a scenario where the text is meaningless, but the intention of the makers is not to forge a likeness of an existing or imagined document.
bi3mw > 15-02-2021, 02:08 PM
(15-02-2021, 11:03 AM)Stephen Carlson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.This is more narrowly drawn than the comment I was responding to, but even so, what if the intention was to fake a likeness of an imagined document, written in a never-before-seen exotic script and language?A document that exists only in the imagination cannot be faked, right? It is in any case an original that at most in the structure, as far as this can be recognized in the illustrations, leans on other works. As already written, the VMS should, in my opinion, give the impression of a compilation. The probability that there is a certain amount of information content in this text is therefore much higher than the probability that, mainly around the illustrations, only completely meaningless text was placed.
Aga Tentakulus > 15-02-2021, 02:31 PM
-JKP- > 19-02-2021, 09:33 PM
nickpelling > 20-02-2021, 11:24 AM
proto57 > 08-03-2021, 09:10 PM
(15-02-2021, 09:34 AM)Stephen Carlson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It is in the end, a judgment call. Not every possible theory should be addressed, of course, but the stronger ones should not be ignored at the expense of the weaker ones, which is how I classify Rugg's.
As for Santacoluma's theory, I didn't remember it, so I found his blog and read the about page and I am still mystified as to what his theory is supposed to be. Not a promising avenue for a serious theory.
At any rate, the authors have promised on twitter to address T&S's theory in their next revision and I look forward to what they have to say.
proto57 > 09-03-2021, 02:10 PM
(11-02-2021, 03:17 PM)RenegadeHealer Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Antonio, look up SciGen, or even better the Sokal Affair, for examples of the motive to write a lot but not really say anything. It’s a deceptive high-level rhetorical trick that’s highly useful to people who want to make their voices heard, or are expected to say something, but have nothing of value to say on the matter. It’s intellectually dishonest and deserves to be called out, and I don’t think it’s a type of trickery that most present company would deign to try. But it’s not as far-fetched as you’re implying.
(15-02-2021, 11:03 AM)Stephen Carlson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(15-02-2021, 10:07 AM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.This is more narrowly drawn than the comment I was responding to, but even so, what if the intention was to fake a likeness of an imagined document, written in a never-before-seen exotic script and language?(15-02-2021, 02:18 AM)Stephen Carlson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The VM is an outlier on almost every theory for it. But to so easily dismiss it as can't-be-fake simply based on the effort required strikes me as naive.
Right, but we are blending two different things here. It is easy to think of reasons why someone would put lots of effort into forging a document.
The "too much effort" argument applies to a scenario where the text is meaningless, but the intention of the makers is not to forge a likeness of an existing or imagined document.
RenegadeHealer > 11-03-2021, 08:00 PM
-JKP- > 12-03-2021, 12:01 PM
ReneZ > 12-03-2021, 03:09 PM
Quote:VMs skeptic {noun}: somebody who questions an assumption that the VMs is what it appears to be