Aga Tentakulus > 20-01-2021, 07:54 PM
(20-01-2021, 09:08 AM)Antonio García Jiménez Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Now, 400 years later it seems that we want to see what they did not see. Doesn't this sound a bit arrogant?
farmerjohn > 20-01-2021, 09:57 PM
(20-01-2021, 07:54 PM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.2.Double consonants (ll, rr etc.), which are common in Italian, are almost non-existent in Latin.
This would have something in common with VM. There also see no double consonants
Aga Tentakulus > 20-01-2021, 10:45 PM
Aga Tentakulus > 21-01-2021, 06:25 AM
ReneZ > 22-01-2021, 05:12 AM
(20-01-2021, 05:26 PM)Helmut Winkler Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(20-01-2021, 12:45 PM)Antonio García Jiménez Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It is not Kircher, it is the dozens of wise men before him.
Did Emperor Rudolph II not have money to pay for the translation of a book he was interested in?
The use of medieval abbr. and the ability to read them ended soon after 1500, the printers changed their habits and did not use them anymore. That meant that contemporary scholars started to publish heavy volumes explaining them, they are no use in solving the VMs., I have tried.
We don't know if Rudolf owned the ms., I distrust the story because it is exactly the story someone in the 17th c. would invent if he was trying to make a profit. It is like today when you try to sell a piss pot and tell people it was owned by siome rock star
MarcoP > 22-01-2021, 03:06 PM
(19-01-2021, 05:03 PM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.One can always argue about the validity of statistics, but the problem with this one (the very high fraction of words ending in y ) is that it is so far off from any reasonable number for Latin words ending in -us or -um or even combined, that there is no chance for a match.
Just from memory, if the language were Italian, then a word-final -i would be a lot closer in terms of frequency.
Maybe Marco remembers better.
(20-01-2021, 03:27 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The y symbol in Latin represents con/com at the beginnings of words and us/um at the ends of words.
-JKP- > 23-01-2021, 02:51 AM
cvetkakocj@rogers.com > 28-05-2022, 09:29 PM
(20-01-2021, 03:27 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The y symbol in Latin represents con/com at the beginnings of words and us/um at the ends of words. It's a flexible abbreviation. On rare occasions, it occurs within words, but this is not common and it's usually a compound word.There was a lot of debate on the question of EVA-y (9-like glyph in the VM). While it is true that such letter was definitely used for Latin abbreviation cum/con at the beginning, and us/um at the end, it is also true that in the non-Latin writing, that same glyph often stood for the letter i/y. I suppose when the Latin ending ending -us was dropped in the Italian language, they began to read the names of the saints with the ending -i, not -us. I have noticed such two way spelling in many 15th century calendar Housebooks and even in the bibles that contained the names of the saints. While it is possible that the full and abbreviated names of the saints were used on the same pages, in some manuscripts there is also a third option, where the names of the male saints end on y, or ij, which clearly stands for Y.
Juan_Sali > 29-05-2022, 11:26 AM
(28-05-2022, 09:29 PM)cvetkakocj@rogers.com Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.There was a lot of debate on the question of EVA-y (9-like glyph in the VM). While it is true that such letter was definitely used for Latin abbreviation cum/con at the beginning, and us/um at the end, it is also true that in the non-Latin writing, that same glyph often stood for the letter i/y. I suppose when the Latin ending ending -us was dropped in the Italian language, they began to read the names of the saints with the ending -i, not -us. I have noticed such two way spelling in many 15th century calendar Housebooks and even in the bibles that contained the names of the saints.I am interested in the use of 9 as i/Y. Do you know with more precision when and where its use started?
cvetkakocj@rogers.com > 30-05-2022, 01:44 AM
(29-05-2022, 11:26 AM)Juan_Sali Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(28-05-2022, 09:29 PM)cvetkakocj@rogers.com Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.There was a lot of debate on the question of EVA-y (9-like glyph in the VM). While it is true that such letter was definitely used for Latin abbreviation cum/con at the beginning, and us/um at the end, it is also true that in the non-Latin writing, that same glyph often stood for the letter i/y. I suppose when the Latin ending ending -us was dropped in the Italian language, they began to read the names of the saints with the ending -i, not -us. I have noticed such two way spelling in many 15th century calendar Housebooks and even in the bibles that contained the names of the saints.I am interested in the use of 9 as i/Y. Do you know with more precision when and where its use started?