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RE: Discussion of Voynich MS-related theories
Mark Knowles > 25-08-2020, 06:04 PM
(25-08-2020, 03:32 PM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(25-08-2020, 03:14 PM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.On the basis of my theory it is clear that the key author is not well known
Mark, you may want to consider if this is really what you wanted to say.
What do you regard as problematic?
Clearly the "well known" is open to interpretation, so it is hard to know what your meaning is. There are some individuals connected to the person who in my theory is most obviously linked to the manuscript who are a bit better known, but it is debatable as to whether they could be said to be not well known. -
RE: Discussion of Voynich MS-related theories
Anton > 25-08-2020, 07:11 PM
(25-08-2020, 05:29 PM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I can see an advantage if it leads to the location of attached documents such as missing pages that have become separated from the manuscript otherwise it is hard to see much benefit except for personal interest/curiousity.
Not only documents. Foliation, pagination, marginalia, binding... whatever. -
RE: Discussion of Voynich MS-related theories
Mark Knowles > 25-08-2020, 07:36 PM
(25-08-2020, 07:11 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(25-08-2020, 05:29 PM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I can see an advantage if it leads to the location of attached documents such as missing pages that have become separated from the manuscript otherwise it is hard to see much benefit except for personal interest/curiousity.
Not only documents. Foliation, pagination, marginalia, binding... whatever.
Yes, but it seems to me that becomes a bit tenuous when we are talking about 1870. Maybe if we are talking 1570 it becomes more on the money. -
RE: Discussion of Voynich MS-related theories
ReneZ > 25-08-2020, 08:15 PM
After the unification of Italy, the new government (after 1870) wanted to establish a national library that could rival with those in London (library of the British Museum) and Paris (Bibliotheque Nationale).
They considered that this could be established by confiscating the very rich libraries of the various monastic orders in the city. This turned out not to be so easy, and large collections of books from various libraries were 'moved away' to prevent this confiscation.
What happened here is largely unclear, and who knows if important collections were lost in this process.
The Voynich MS was just one MS that was caught in the middle of all of this.
This may not be interesting to the majority of people interested in the Voynich MS, but it is a part of history that deserves study, and is indeed studied actively by different groups. -
RE: Discussion of Voynich MS-related theories
Koen G > 25-08-2020, 08:53 PM
(25-08-2020, 08:15 PM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.This may not be interesting to the majority of people interested in the Voynich MS, but it is a part of history that deserves study, and is indeed studied actively by different groups.
This is not something I am capable of studying myself, but I don't see how anyone interested in the VM can dismiss this as uninteresting. Where did it go after Kircher, why did it remain hidden (or at least unnoticed), who might have corresponded about it... All matters of interest. -
RE: Discussion of Voynich MS-related theories
Mark Knowles > 25-08-2020, 09:49 PM
(25-08-2020, 08:53 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(25-08-2020, 08:15 PM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.This may not be interesting to the majority of people interested in the Voynich MS, but it is a part of history that deserves study, and is indeed studied actively by different groups.
This is not something I am capable of studying myself, but I don't see how anyone interested in the VM can dismiss this as uninteresting. Where did it go after Kircher, why did it remain hidden (or at least unnoticed), who might have corresponded about it... All matters of interest.
I suppose my approach may seem reductive and myopic, but by far and away my interest in the Voynich is in the goal of decipherment. So I always ask myself the question how unravelling a particular issue will move us on to the goal of decipherment. I can see that others may have different interests and goals. Some people are very interested in the life of Wilfred or Ethel Voynich; I am not, except in so far as knowing more about their lives can lead towards decipherment.
If by learning what happened to the manuscript after Kircher, leads to the discovery of, for example, missing documents closely associated with the Voynich such as lost letters or lost pages then it can have an impact on the goal of decipherment, otherwise it is just a historical curiousity to me personally. So if Wilfred Voynich or Professor Newbold or Hans Krauss squirrelled away missing pages of the manuscript then their lives become of significant interest to me. Without these kind of consequences I am not very interested in whether Snow White owned the manuscript after Kircher. There is so much to know and understand about the manuscript that I tend to focus quite narrowly on areas I see as profitable. However I certainly don't begrudge anyone of their interests whether it be the Voynich manuscript or Ping Pong. -
RE: Discussion of Voynich MS-related theories
Aga Tentakulus > 25-08-2020, 11:30 PM
@Mark
I see what you mean. But like everything, it's the whole story where it matters.
Even if you almost know a book, it's bad when it says: The killer is......... ( last page lost ) -
RE: Discussion of Voynich MS-related theories
MichelleL11 > 25-08-2020, 11:33 PM
(25-08-2020, 09:49 PM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(25-08-2020, 08:53 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(25-08-2020, 08:15 PM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.This may not be interesting to the majority of people interested in the Voynich MS, but it is a part of history that deserves study, and is indeed studied actively by different groups.
This is not something I am capable of studying myself, but I don't see how anyone interested in the VM can dismiss this as uninteresting. Where did it go after Kircher, why did it remain hidden (or at least unnoticed), who might have corresponded about it... All matters of interest.
I suppose my approach may seem reductive and myopic, but by far and away my interest in the Voynich is in the goal of decipherment.
By far the highest probability for a certain decipherment is finding a key. By far the highest chance of finding a key is understanding where the manuscript has been physically located during its existence. Any place the manuscript has been stored constitute our best chances left of being the location of a key, if one exists. That’s why l care. -
RE: Discussion of Voynich MS-related theories
Koen G > 25-08-2020, 11:45 PM
If you want a key or "inside information", you're probably looking pre-Baresch though. His correspondence suggests that the MS was in his possession without a key or information about the cipher/script. By the time it gets to Kircher, the connection to its origin and makers is lost.
Still, I would find it very valuable to read what these later owners may have written about it -
RE: Discussion of Voynich MS-related theories
MichelleL11 > 25-08-2020, 11:55 PM
(25-08-2020, 11:45 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Still, I would find it very valuable to read what these later owners may have written about it
True - maybe “key” is too strong of a word. Any insights closer in time to its creation could be useful. If just to remove one or more false assumption(s) that block us from seeing it more clearly. That could be all it takes.