dvallis > 09-08-2020, 03:14 PM
(09-08-2020, 12:57 PM)RobGea Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Hi dvallis,
thanks for sharing your project.
If you could explain more about the methodology you used
and address the points made by Alin_J and ReneZ, that would be great.
For those interested, heres a nice little github repo for Hyperdimensional computing projects:
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Off Topic: Cool that you included Sumerian and interesting where it appears on the plot.
dvallis > 09-08-2020, 03:24 PM
(09-08-2020, 11:52 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Thanks Darrin for this interesting analysis.
I read the linked page, and it leaves me with a number of questions.
What exactly do you mean with:
Quote:Languages in non-Latin characters were machine transliterated before normalization.
If one uses Unicode, there is no longer any issue with non-Latin characters. One can still apply the language rules to translate upper case to lower case (for languages that use two cases).
dvallis > 09-08-2020, 03:29 PM
dvallis > 09-08-2020, 03:43 PM
(09-08-2020, 12:35 PM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Let's not distract from the topic of this thread.
The analysis is promising, but I have considerable difficulty in understand what exactly is being done.
I checked the link to the paper of Pentti Kanerva, but this is only concerned with the hypervectors, not the text analysis.
This piece of text:
Quote:Assign random hypervectors to the twenty six letters of the alphabet and a space character. Parse any large text sample with a sliding three letter window, building a series of trigrams. Combining the trigrams yields a hyperdimensional vector signature for the text sample.
is especially difficult to follow. It does not allow one to understand what the author has done exactly.
ReneZ > 09-08-2020, 03:49 PM
(09-08-2020, 03:43 PM)dvallis Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Yeah the math is hard to follow
MichelleL11 > 09-08-2020, 04:24 PM
(09-08-2020, 06:39 AM)DonaldFisk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.But curiously, you find Voynichese in a Caucasian language cluster, along with the North West Caucasian languages, Adyghe and Abaza. I reached a similar conclusion (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.). The closest match I found was with Abkhaz, another North West Caucasian language. The most likely explanation, though, is simply that Abkhaz has only two vowel phonemes and there's no clear vowel branch in Voynichese.
Anton > 09-08-2020, 06:00 PM
MichelleL11 > 09-08-2020, 07:09 PM
(09-08-2020, 06:00 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Ossetic is by no means obscure, it's spoken by half a million people.
It does not have especially low number of vowels, in fact Russian has less vowels (6) than Ossetic (7).
Alanic language is kinda proto-Ossetic, because modern Ossetians descend from Alans. Northern Ossetia (region of Russia) is also officially called Alania. The Zelenchuk inscription which I mentioned is in fact Alanic.
Strictly speaking, Jassic is not a dialect of Ossetic, Jasses were an Alanic tribe which migrated to modern Romania/Hungary in the beginning of 2nd millennium AD. So their language and the Ossetic language descend from the common origin of Alanic. Presently Jassic language is dead, modern Jasses speak Hungarian.
Anton > 09-08-2020, 08:19 PM
(09-08-2020, 07:09 PM)MichelleL11 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.But l’d still like to see that document - l wonder what alphabet it was written in?
(09-08-2020, 07:09 PM)MichelleL11 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.In any case, l’m interested in learning more and grateful the group has members much more able to get good information about this possible direction than myself.