MarcoP > 04-08-2020, 06:55 AM
(04-08-2020, 06:07 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Petr is a common name in many slavic countries. There was a Voynich researcher in Holland some years ago with that name.
Thai has many words ending in -tr , though neither of the two consonants is pronounced (at most a half-heard t).
Bakker Wrote:Another possibility is to look at the distribution of sounds within a word, assuming that each letter sign in the text represents a sound ... There are letters that only appear in certain positions, and it is not uncommon for languages to have sounds that do not appear in all positions in the word — in most languages, for example, no word can end in -tr.
ReneZ > 04-08-2020, 07:50 AM
Anton > 04-08-2020, 12:59 PM
RenegadeHealer > 04-08-2020, 01:33 PM
(03-08-2020, 02:30 PM)bi3mw Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Even though his conclusion is a bit "self explaining" ( "The mere fact that it has not been decoded, means that it is not decodable"), I think the article is worth reading as a summary.
DONJCH > 04-08-2020, 01:39 PM
Pepper > 04-08-2020, 05:44 PM
(04-08-2020, 07:50 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Hi Marco,
no problem there.
However, also in terms of sounds it is dangerous to make such generalisation.
In several slavionic languages there are sound combinations that most people would find difficult if not impossible to pronounce, but the kids in those countries can do it from an early age. These languages cannot be excluded in principle as a source language.
MarcoP > 04-08-2020, 06:23 PM
Quote:The problem with injunctions such as Bakker's (or Victor's) that it is not worth trying to decipher something because it is probably a hoax, or there isn't enough text for Shannon unicity, or whatever, is that such appeals universally fail to have any stopping power on the enthusiast. And why should they? If the existence of dozens or hundreds of equally plausible previous "decipherments" of a corpus fail to dissuade them, why should other considerations?
Witness the hundreds of attempts to decipher the Phaistos Disk, or the Indus Valley corpus.
ReneZ > 04-08-2020, 07:30 PM
(04-08-2020, 06:23 PM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.TLDR I think that, if we must totally discard the phonetically-written-weird-language hypothesis, these three experts are right and the Voynich manuscript is either totally meaningless or undecipherable.
MarcoP > 04-08-2020, 07:48 PM
(04-08-2020, 07:30 PM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(04-08-2020, 06:23 PM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.TLDR I think that, if we must totally discard the phonetically-written-weird-language hypothesis, these three experts are right and the Voynich manuscript is either totally meaningless or undecipherable.
Their calculations are (from a summary reading) based on a brute force approach, for two specific cases. Brute force can usually be avoided by doing something more clever.
(04-08-2020, 07:30 PM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Many of the statistics we already have are making both specific cases rather unlikely.
(04-08-2020, 07:30 PM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The lack of repeating strings remains an interesting problem that has not yet been addressed very deeply. A verbose encryption with some degree of freedom would explain this anomaly easily, and explain why all previous attempts have failed. (Just one example).
R. Sale > 04-08-2020, 08:22 PM