MarcoP > 19-07-2020, 07:03 AM
bi3mw > 19-07-2020, 02:14 PM
(19-07-2020, 07:03 AM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It could still be that words are broken across lines, but at least one of the two halves is transformed in some way (IMO this scenario is not particularly likely, but who knows?).
MichelleL11 > 19-07-2020, 06:23 PM
-JKP- > 19-07-2020, 09:19 PM
(19-07-2020, 06:23 PM)MichelleL11 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
RobGea > 20-07-2020, 10:47 PM
(19-07-2020, 07:03 AM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The two texts with hyphenation have many more matches across lines than inside. The text with no hyphenation (Lincoln_fixed) has uniform low numbers across lines and inside.
The VMS has many more matches inside lines than across. This is the opposite of what happens with hyphenation: I take this as evidence that words are not simply broken across lines.
-JKP- > 20-07-2020, 11:13 PM
RobGea Wrote:I agree with MarcoP.
MarcoP > 21-07-2020, 05:42 AM
(20-07-2020, 11:13 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Maybe we could say, for now: "Assuming there is no filler text at the ends, and assuming there are no line-end-marker symbols at the ends, VMS vords are probably not broken across lines."
-JKP- > 21-07-2020, 06:31 AM
(21-07-2020, 05:42 AM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Quote:About the specific ideas you put forward:
Filler text at the end of lines would result in line-end words being longer than the others, and this is not the case: according to Elmar Vogt, they are actually shorter. Also, the idea of statistically relevant filler text is somehow anachronistic, since it appears to have been introduced by Trithemius half a century after the VMS was created. In his application of the method, the cipher text has a TTR close to 1, while (as amply discussed by Koen) the VMS has figures similar to plain-text.
Quote:I guess that by "line-end-marker" symbols you mean specific abbreviations, as in the tiny fragments with "etc" you posted. I must say that calling "etc" a "marker" seems misleading to me. As you probably know, I like the idea that EVA:m/g are abbreviations, but I am not aware of this hypothesis resulting in evidence for hyphenation.
bi3mw > 21-07-2020, 10:24 AM
(21-07-2020, 06:31 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Why would line-end filler be longer? It seems to me if you are filling whatever space is left to make the right-hand column line up (to double-justify the text), then the filler text might be quite short and would not necessarily affect every line.
-JKP- > 21-07-2020, 11:39 AM