ReneZ > 29-06-2020, 01:53 PM
Anton > 29-06-2020, 02:19 PM
MarcoP > 29-06-2020, 03:33 PM
(28-06-2020, 05:20 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(28-06-2020, 05:16 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.What about syllabification? I think syllables in some languages may have a distribution similar to Voynichese.
That's what Stolfi seems to build his argumentation upon, but as I said I could not fully understand his idea. When it comes to linguistics, especially beyond Russian and English, I do not feel very comfortable.
Alin_J Wrote:If you constrain the length you will only cut off the tail
ReneZ > 29-06-2020, 04:07 PM
-JKP- > 29-06-2020, 04:11 PM
MarcoP Wrote:One of the reasons why I find this result interesting is that it fits with You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. According to her analysis, Voynichese words are constrained to include at most three syllables. I was not aware that such a constraint could result in a binomial distribution of dictionary word lengths.
Anton > 29-06-2020, 06:24 PM
-JKP- > 29-06-2020, 07:07 PM
Alin_J > 29-06-2020, 07:18 PM
(29-06-2020, 04:11 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Folio You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and the other dense-text folios have wide spaces and half-spaces. If the narrow spaces are ignored, you get 4- and 5-syllable tokens like pchedalshdy, yteechypchy, qotalshesy, qokeolkeedy, qokeykeedy, qokeeylkeol, tcheyqokeey, qokalshedy, pcholkchdy, oteeykshy, rotailshedy, qokeodair, oieshedy, chealainor, otaryly, oteeochey, qopchedy, ocheocthey, qoctheody, okeeolkeeodain, fchedykchedy, shoefcheeykechy (some of which do not have half-spaces, they are definitely one token). This is only a sampling. There are many more.
Another complication is that dalalchdar (debatably 3 or 4 syllables) is written with half-spaces, so is it one token or three?
MarcoP > 29-06-2020, 07:45 PM
(29-06-2020, 06:24 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.In the context of this discussion, when we speak of "syllables" in a language, do we mean phonetic syllables or their written representation? I have an impression that these two are messed, which is probably methodologically incorrect.
(29-06-2020, 06:24 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.How can one syllable contain two (or more) vowels? In your example of "thuong" (I omit the modifiers), would not that be two syllables (thu + ong) instead of one?
(29-06-2020, 06:24 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.How can Vietnamese contain only single-syllable words? Means all their words are very short?
(29-06-2020, 06:24 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Then how do they manage to express complex notions like "hydraulics" or "referendum"?
(29-06-2020, 06:24 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.In short, when it comes to syllables, I'm at a loss.
Anton > 29-06-2020, 08:31 PM