Ruby Novacna > 27-06-2020, 01:04 PM
(27-06-2020, 10:27 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Most people start fudgingAbout "fudging", flip through old dictionaries, you can change your mind. Also leaf through the translations of the old inscriptions, the freedom of transcription is sometimes wider than in the case of Voynich. Sometimes it's not the lack of ideas, but the extreme level of our self-censorship that keeps us from moving forward. Anyway, my motto has always been "translate and let translate". This work must above all serve the self-fulfillment of each participant.
Anton > 27-06-2020, 01:12 PM
(27-06-2020, 09:12 AM)Searcher Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Personally, I don’t see many ways to encrypt a separate word.
Anton > 27-06-2020, 01:16 PM
(27-06-2020, 10:02 AM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.We must not discourage each other. The choice must come from within.
Searcher > 27-06-2020, 03:32 PM
(27-06-2020, 01:12 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. For the simplest example, one may substitute not single letters but, say, bigrams. Take the word "date", if "da" maps to "po" and "te" maps to "lo", then "date" maps to "polo", and there's no 1:1 mapping between single characters (instead, it exists for bigrams). The decipherer would in vain consider the two "o" characters to be the same.Thanks, Anton! I missed this method for the case. I am sure to try it. And I forgot to mention abjad, as well. I just want to develop a thought about bigrams. Indeed, bigrams can stand not only for another bigram, some bigrams may stand for some combination of three letters. I think, it is possible.
Quote:For a more complex example, there is my idea expressed in another thread about prefixes as relational operators, like "otol" meaning something being made over "tol", for example otol = "with tol", while qotol = "without tol". (There are many labels starting with "o", but very few starting with "qo"). This idea still remains unexplored.The idea is probably good, but in this case the label words seem to be too short (although, of course, it depends on language). Also there is a question: What with such words as ol, or, ot, etc?
Anton > 27-06-2020, 04:20 PM
(27-06-2020, 03:32 PM)Searcher Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Also there is a question: What with such words as ol, or, ot, etc?
Searcher > 27-06-2020, 04:55 PM
(27-06-2020, 04:20 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I'm not advocating any particular proposal here, just wanted to show that possibilities can be many.I don't mean this.
(27-06-2020, 03:32 PM)Searcher Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Also there is a question: What with such words as ol, or, ot, etc?One possibility is that ol is something different from tol, i.e. they are semantically unrelated.
Quote:about prefixes as relational operators, like "otol" meaning something being made over "tol", for example otol = "with tol"So "o" is such an operator in every VMs word that contains it at the beginning? Therefore I asked what about the words ol, ot, or, etc. Is "o" in them an operator? If not, how to identify words where "o" is a prefix that plays role of a preposition or a conjunction, for example, and where it is just a letter or just a prefix? And... not too many such prefixes / conjunctions / prepositions?
Anton > 27-06-2020, 06:03 PM
(27-06-2020, 04:55 PM)Searcher Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Therefore I asked what about the words ol, ot, or, etc. Is "o" in them an operator
(27-06-2020, 04:55 PM)Searcher Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.If not, how to identify words where "o" is a prefix that plays role of a preposition or a conjunction, for example, and where it is just a letter or just a prefix?
Anton > 27-06-2020, 06:07 PM
-JKP- > 27-06-2020, 06:16 PM
(27-06-2020, 04:20 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
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Anton > 27-06-2020, 06:45 PM
(27-06-2020, 06:16 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It's especially important to consider the possibility because medieval script, in particular, was very context dependent. The same character or group of characters had many meanings, depending on which other characters were adjacent.
Quote: In my understanding, all these hints point towards Voynichese words being `numbers' rather than linguistic entities.