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The incredible unravelling of the Voynich Manuscript

  • RE: The incredible unravelling of the Voynich Manuscript

    Koen G > 22-05-2020, 10:20 PM

    (22-05-2020, 08:11 PM)Searcher Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Added P.S.
    Has anyone checked the statistics of endings in the VMs after replacing the final “y”? How much will this change?
    What would you replace it with?
  • RE: The incredible unravelling of the Voynich Manuscript

    Searcher > 22-05-2020, 10:27 PM

    (22-05-2020, 10:20 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
    (22-05-2020, 08:11 PM)Searcher Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Added P.S.
    Has anyone checked the statistics of endings in the VMs after replacing the final “y”? How much will this change?
    What would you replace it with?
    Maybe, it's a wrong word. I mean, after deletion of "y" at the end.
  • RE: The incredible unravelling of the Voynich Manuscript

    Torsten > 22-05-2020, 10:28 PM

    (22-05-2020, 08:11 PM)Searcher Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Has anyone checked the statistics of endings in the VMs after replacing the final “y”? How much will this change?

    40 % of the word-tokens end with [-y] (15409 out of 37919 tokens). The most common word types ending in [-y] are [chedy]/[shedy], [chey]/[shey], [chy]/[shy], and [qoky]/[oky]/[qoty]/[oty]. Therefore it is no surprise that the most common glyphs before the final-[y] are [d], [e], [ch], and [k].

    There are 17655 words containing EVA-[y]. The glyphs before [-y-] are
    in 6850 cases [d] (38.8 %)
    in 4034 cases [e] (22.8 %)
    in 2329 cases [h] (13.2 %)
    in 1360 cases a gallow glyph (7.7 %).
  • RE: The incredible unravelling of the Voynich Manuscript

    Searcher > 22-05-2020, 10:34 PM

    (22-05-2020, 10:28 PM)Torsten Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.40 % of the word-tokens end with [-y] (15409 out of 37919 tokens). The most common word types ending in [-y] are [chedy]/[shedy], [chey]/[shey], [chy]/[shy], and [qoky]/[oky]/[qoty]/[oty]. Therefore it is no surprise that the most common glyphs before the final-[y] are [d], [e], [ch], and [k].

    There are 17655 words containing EVA-[y]. The glyphs before [-y-] are
    in 6850 cases [d] (38.8 %)
    in 4034 cases [e] (22.8 %)
    in 2329 cases [h] (13.2 %)
    in 1360 cases a gallow glyph (7.7 %).
    Well, it looks better.
  • RE: The incredible unravelling of the Voynich Manuscript

    Ruby Novacna > 23-05-2020, 11:18 AM

    Quote:Searcher : I decided to go astray from the theory in order to try out a new approach over time, but even after six months or a year I begin to walk in circles. It is very difficult to completely move away from your theory.
    Yulia, why try to forget your theory? Don't we say that the first impression is the right one? Perhaps consider it differently, not attacking the entire manuscript, but choosing a section or a page or a few keywords per section? Take advantage of explaining your choice of reading letters when it differs from EVA? Examine the labels? In short, do not consider without proof that the manuscript is written in one language and without encryption. I sincerely believe that Latin words cannot be missing in such a long text, your knowledge of Latin can make things happen.
  • RE: The incredible unravelling of the Voynich Manuscript

    -JKP- > 23-05-2020, 12:14 PM

    I think it's a big mistake to zoom in on little sections and try to interpret those.

    It's very easy to turn little sections into one language or another, but then when you try it on larger sections it almost never works.

    That's what has happened to countless people who have claimed solutions. They think they have solved a word here or there (Stephen Bax for example, found 12 words that seemed to work) and then they get very excited about it (assuming it will work on more). But they discover later (sometimes much later) that their system doesn't generalize to larger sections and the initial impression was a coincidence.


    If there is meaning within Voynichese, I think the solution will probably come from a more wholistic approach.
  • RE: The incredible unravelling of the Voynich Manuscript

    Searcher > 23-05-2020, 01:38 PM

    (23-05-2020, 11:18 AM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Yulia, why try to forget your theory? Don't we say that the first impression is the right one? Perhaps consider it differently, not attacking the entire manuscript, but choosing a section or a page or a few keywords per section? Take advantage of explaining your choice of reading letters when it differs from EVA? Examine the labels? In short, do not consider without proof that the manuscript is written in one language and without encryption. I sincerely believe that Latin words cannot be missing in such a long text, your knowledge of Latin can make things happen.
    Until I see that the theory works wholy, I will try to find the correct way. Sometimes I search for an absolutely different approach, sometimes try to rethink my own theory and change details. But it is really hard not return to the same track. 
    I know that you work with the Greek theory, I think Greek is also pretty possible. To the point, I had a thought, most likely, not only I did, that the main text is predominantly written in one language, but the labels - in another.
  • RE: The incredible unravelling of the Voynich Manuscript

    Ruby Novacna > 23-05-2020, 02:51 PM

    (23-05-2020, 01:38 PM)Searcher Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I know that you work with the Greek theory,
    To be precise, I don't work "with Greek theory". I was drawn to the manuscript because I saw clearly several Slavic words  in the botanical section. However in the bathing section, I think see several Greek words. I admit that I know more Greek words than Latin words, because Old-Slavic dictionaries systematically give the equivalents of words in Greek, rarely in Latin.

    (23-05-2020, 12:14 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.it's a big mistake to zoom in on little sections
    I also don't think that reading the text by section would be a big mistake: the difference in languages has already been proven. Proper interpretation of the keywords in each section could advance our understanding.
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